I hope this clears up some of the Rogue>Ninja rage

[ZReport]

This is a very stupid thread.

For all intents and purposes for now Rogue = Thief.

There will be no Thief job in the near future.

[Souljacker]

There will be no Thief job in the near future.

With the direction they are headed I wouldn't be surprised if there were no XIV at all in the near future. Some of the design decisions of late have been really, really bad. They need to get back on track.

[Sapphic]

So, you smash theprimals to save the world from them draining all the aether, defeat the heads of an invading force whilst destrying their ultimate weapon that could force Eorzea to surrender. Destroy numerous overworld threats making the world safer, try to bring about friendship between the beastmen tribes and the people of eorzea.

Then you break into peoples houses to steal their stuff.

Why would you join a thieves guild? You are a prominent figure in the Eorzean world, famous for your exploits to save Eorzea, an icon to many. Why would a thieves guild even ant someone so obviuosly in the limelight? Please don't bring up that you could do X,Y,Z in FFXI because last time I checked we weren't playing that

[Phyllo]

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The problem doesn't lie with ffxi, but with the final fantasy franchise in itself, thief never ever became ninja, thief OPENED the way to ninja, it's different.
Here we are forced to play ninja even if we don't want to and while it's true that a good deal of your skills are still rogue's, in the end you're still a ninja, it was no big deal with the other classes because they were only in FF xiv but thief is a FF wide class, not a one game class like gladiator.

Besides, who cares about what you do, I could be the overlord for all I care and still be a whitemage, your actions are heroic, not your being, nothing stops you from being a thief if you want to, even if you are the savior of the world, since when does outsiders' opinion matters to your very person? If I want to wear an Hawaiian shirt I wear one, I don't care if people thinks it doesn't suit me.

And again it has absolutely nothing to do with XI, I never even played XI and yet it still annoys me that my favorite job is turned into a mere class and that the job I always hated the most became this very class's evolution.

[Quintalian]

Oh man. Oh man, oh man.

Listen. I love Thief. I am a fan of Final Fantasy and its thieves. I was a career THF in FFXI. Rikku was pretty cool in FFX. As FFIX's protagonist, Zidane's upbeat attitude was a breath of fresh air after Squall's feigned indifference in FFVIII. Yuffie? She was absolutely a thief and proud of it, that ninja get-up wasn't fooling anyone. And don't even get me started on Locke, the premier treasure hunter and adventurer we all know and love. (Also there was Vaan, I guess?)

I had been speculating and postulating and wishing, hoping and praying for Thief in FFXIV since 1.x's official announcement. When we got 'classes' instead of jobs, my question was, "if not Thief, then what?" and the answer for the longest time was, "nothing". More accurately, the answer was something like "all of these other classes" since the usual thief-like skills had become divided among Lancer, Archer and Pugilist. But Yoshi-P promised that a dual-wielding, stealthy scout class was forthcoming, so I was patient.

There was plenty of debate over this class and the Job that would follow. I made my opinions known in these forums. For me, the reveal of Rogue and Ninja was as exciting as it was disappointing. That's because it felt a lot like all that patience didn't pay off. Understand this: I don't give a damn about getting Ninja for Ninja's sake. I am going to use it because I have no choice, because it is as close to Thief as we may ever get. Perhaps Rogue will have the thief-like skills I want (including enmity mechanics and a steal), perhaps not. Regardless, many glamour prisms shall be expended in order to resemble the Thief I truly wanted to be.

But leaving all of that aside, this is what I want to know. Of all the jobs we could have gotten, of all the jobs we have yet to get, why is it that people are so adamant that we should NOT have Thief as a Job? No one is arguing against Red Mage, Blue Mage, Dark Knight, Samurai or Templar! Consider Geomancer, Time Mage, Berserker or Ranger, all have many champions but few detractors. I have seen pleas and treatments for Dancer, Beastmaster, Puppetmaster, Necromancer, Cannoneer and Chemist, but no one is arguing against any of those as fervently as they do against Thief.

One last thing. All of the job quests involve an NPC who passes on to you some sort of 'lost knowledge' as part of your training.
There is absolutely no reason that a Thief job could not be handled in the exact same way.

THIEF IN EXPANSION 2015

[myahele]

I'm surprised that people are making a big deal out of the name. If they are upset about a name then imagine the uproar when ninjas can't become tanks unlike their FF11 counterparts. I've never played 11, but all mentions of Ninja is that they can be tank-like due to some of the cross skills you can use.

Also, in many rpgs I've played rogue/theif are pretty interchangeable anyway.

[Eardstapa]

The problem doesn't lie with ffxi, but with the final fantasy franchise in itself, thief never ever became ninja, thief OPENED the way to ninja, it's different.

Final Fantasy 1 says hi.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Thief_(Final_Fantasy)

[Shougun]

I'm surprised that people are making a big deal out of the name. If they are upset about a name then imagine the uproar when ninjas can't become tanks unlike their FF11 counterparts. I've never played 11, but all mentions of Ninja is that they can be tank-like due to some of the cross skills you can use.

Also, in many rpgs I've played rogue/theif are pretty interchangeable anyway.

I imagine a couple mechanics and most importantly the "image" of Thief is also lost too. I'm not a crazy thief fan but I do feel it is likely the image will not be "all there". Kind of like people who wanted an actual bard rather than a partial mostly dps bard (Yoshi doesn't do support class! lol). Or summoners who wanted to meet that classic image. FF has a lot of consistent imagery, so it is awkward to lose that.

Ninja looks nothing like Thief and unless SE makes concession to players who wanted Thief it is unlikely they will ever get the image. There are of course abilities that the Rogue might not have to make it feel Thief like, but that is great speculation.. (easy to assume ninja will not look like Thief, cause.. yeah). Not a Thief player, but I do commiserate at least in the likely loss of a desired image.

[Clicked]

So either you don't watch live letter, or you just didn't red this thread except for the last few page because it already has been stated by yoshida himself that rogue = thief.
They changed the name because of stupid lore reasons but rogue is thief, 100% thief so there won't be a thief job since thief is already the base class for ninja.

And developers never EVER change their mind and they always follow through with everything they say.

THF will happen if they see us clamoring for it. Just not anytime soon.

Final Fantasy 1 says hi.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Thief_(Final_Fantasy)

So following your logic WAR should just be a class and PLD should be it's job? Ok.

There are 12 jobs in FF1 but 4 of them (Master and the Wizards) are just stronger version of their base jobs. So there are a total of 8 jobs in FF1. WAR, MNK, THF, WHM, BLM, RDM, PLD, and NIN. None of these are classes. They are either not in the game or they are jobs. Converting a job to a class is an insult to one of the original jobs in the series.

[Elazu]

The main problem with this naming is that people will be all like "rouge".