Fieldcraft Demimateria III; Does anyone feel a bit shafted?

[Kinseykinz]

If you can't craft NQ 3 star recipes without the ilvl75 tool, getting it won't help you any.

People aren't just going to make difficult items that you need and flood the markets with them at cost.

Umm...you do realize a specific class (goldsmith) makes the ruby right?

You do realize that that ruby is then used, by get this, other crafting classes to make said 3-star items.

....so. Yes, it IS plausible to have not leveled goldsmith, and STILL be able to craft 3 star items on other crafting classes. This is even more plausible when you factor in it is totally plausible to reliably craft 3-star furniture on Other classes without needing any cross-skills from goldsmithing to do it.


But again, in the context of the OP's original post, it does seem to be a bit much to expect, gatherers to basically either level (or have leveled) a crafting class/and then level it's desynth to get their tool. The actual item we have to gather, is simple to get, and easy. Everything else for the tool however, is either 'just buy it and save yourself the hassle' or as has been pointed out, requires crafting.

Meanwhile, for the actual crafting tools, you only need 3 mastercraft materia+ the crafted item x5 (which does take Fieldcraft materia, but hey, you're actually crafting and probably actually have some).

It probably would have been better to require the 3 mastercraft demateria (just like crafting tools) but then made the DOL's have a more difficult item to gather than they have currently....or make them gather a far larger amount. At least then, you'd be 'gathering to earn your gathering tool for the most part' as opposed to grinding crafting to earn your gathering tool.


So anyway, my point was, unless you can craft all the necessary items (which a DOL might not have even touched...or might not have proper class leveled to make a mat cheaply) , it's probably better to just buy your Fieldcraft III's/Mastercraft materia's needed for the Tools w/ proceeds from selling items you gather.

[StouterTaru]

The people going for 100 desynth can either craft 3 star recipes, or they are not going to make it past 80 anytime soon. By the time you are melded enough to craft 3 stars with one craft, you are very likely to be able to craft NQ 3 star recipes in all crafts if you use food and FC buffs. The people that can make 3 star furniture in one craft but can't make a NQ ruby are very few, and will probably fail at their first attempt(s) at making 3 star furniture.

3 star furniture in 5 different crafts costs as much to make as 10 tomato relish (artisan's spectacles) for a whole lot less effort. People will use it to hit 100 in desynth for those crafts. These pieces give fieldcraft III, and can give you two of them at a time. I stated this as a response to mastercraft being worthless due to the ratio you get from artisan glasses vs what you need to the new tools.

You can also get fieldcraft III from the two star recipes that are ingredients for other two star recipes, but not gear. Look up rose gold clasps if you don't know what I'm talking about, there are several of them. They also cost 2-3 times as much as 3 star furniture, and give you at most 1 fieldcraft materia. They are level 70, so they are useful to level up desynth in some cases.

[Adler]

Another whining thread about "why I need to put an effort into levelling my class/job up to max?". If you don't want to put an effort then don't do it - just don't put it so that another job has something easier. That alchemist or goldsmith who as OP think has Fieldcraft demimateria served to him on silver plate has spent a lot of gil to level up his class including buying materials from DoL. Also I'm sure that blacksmith, armourer as well leatherworker and weaver can get all possible type of demimateria while they need to put a lot of effort to max out their gear to be able to do it.

[Kinseykinz]

The people going for 100 desynth can either craft 3 star recipes, or they are not going to make it past 80 anytime soon. By the time you are melded enough to craft 3 stars with one craft, you are very likely to be able to craft NQ 3 star recipes in all crafts if you use food and FC buffs. The people that can make 3 star furniture in one craft but can't make a NQ ruby are very few, and will probably fail at their first attempt(s) at making 3 star furniture.

3 star furniture in 5 different crafts costs as much to make as 10 tomato relish (artisan's spectacles) for a whole lot less effort. People will use it to hit 100 in desynth for those crafts. These pieces give fieldcraft III, and can give you two of them at a time. I stated this as a response to mastercraft being worthless due to the ratio you get from artisan glasses vs what you need to the new tools.

You can also get fieldcraft III from the two star recipes that are ingredients for other two star recipes, but not gear. Look up rose gold clasps if you don't know what I'm talking about, there are several of them. They also cost 2-3 times as much as 3 star furniture, and give you at most 1 fieldcraft materia. They are level 70, so they are useful to level up desynth in some cases.

My CRP desynth is 90, and I have my Rani Supra (BTN tool), I made 0 rubies, try again? Still, you keep going about this all wrong. You are going 'well if you have all crafting classes...or even can create a 3-star on blah blah blah' which is all well and good for CRAFTERS to earn a CRAFTING tool. But the OP is asking why SE is requiring so much CRAFTING for a GATHERING tool.

You're also missing the point that gathering the 99 items is EASY...like beyond easy, to do. The items only need to be NQ, which means you can even use +yield skills to make it faster. Why is the actual gathering part of my tool quest the easiest part? Shouldn't this be the part that is a time/gil investment?

And yes, I personally do have all crafts leveled...I do not have all crafts geared/master books earned. Because I don't need them.


PS on my server, first off Tomato Relish probably is your 'cheapest' option as it's mats are crazy cheap. 3-star furniture while 'less synths' is in many cases worth more to sell, or the mat prices don't justify the means. (the myth items needed for the synths >more than the tomato relish synth items x 20 typically) Which is why, I go back to on my server, if you are a DOL who lacks the skill to craft/desynth for Fieldcraft III's/Mastercrafts, your probably better off just buying them. (when you factor in the time+gilsink leveling crafting/desynthing would be vs. just go out an gather raw mats to sell to make up the difference).

Another whining thread about "why I need to put an effort into levelling my class/job up to max?". If you don't want to put an effort then don't do it - just don't put it so that another job has something easier. That alchemist or goldsmith who as OP think has Fieldcraft demimateria served to him on silver plate has spent a lot of gil to level up his class including buying materials from DoL. Also I'm sure that blacksmith, armourer as well leatherworker and weaver can get all possible type of demimateria while they need to put a lot of effort to max out their gear to be able to do it.

Yeah, you know, in 1.0 SE tried to make it so your Relic Quest required Crafting/Gathering or lots of gil making too. Most people simply didn't do the quest, those who did, with few exceptions spent millions on it. Because the 2nd meld then, was about and 18% chance....the synth was not reliably HQ'd and used mats that were tedious to get. This was the step after, the entry content you had to grind for 9 key items, with 2-3 battleclasses and 2 DOL,2-3 crafters....to effeciently complete the content.

People were fed up with needing to have DOL/DOH leveled to earn a battleclass weapon, at the time the best weapon in the game, because many battleclass players don't have all crafts/dols leveled...or might have some leveled, but not the ones they needed.

So the quest was changed dramatically in 2.0. Now you only need to purchase the base weapon (which is easily crafted/cheap) + meld 2 materia that have 100% chance of affixing, everything else is 'go kill this'.


So try again, the OP isn't saying 'make it easier' they are saying 'make it more relevant to my class'

Battleclasses should grow via battles
Crafters should grow via crafting
And gatherers should grow via gathering.

Make the content challenging yes, but keep it within the scope of what each class was designed to do.


Oh and the 'they bought mats from you so to level so you should be forced to buy from them' is hogwash....unless you think a DOL who can't make their own gear is running around naked w/o melds. DOL is one of the few roles that relies heavily on crafted items for their performance...more so than battleclasses tbh (dungeons drop battle gear).

[KingZeus]

^damn right

[DarkDedede]

It seems like a lot of their new crafting/gathering content seems to follow the same pattern.

You want this shiny? We've placed said shiny 10,000 miles from your current location. You have two choices:

1. You can walk those 10,000 miles, which will take you an exorbitant amount of time.

2. You can spend millions of gil, and get it with minimal effort.

Seems like poor game design, in my opinion. I have no problem with exorbitant shinys. This kind of "challenge" does appeal to some (just not everyone). I also have no problem with the 10,000 mile trip, assuming the trip is fun and engaging.

Grinding is always going to be part of the MMO equation. However, the journey should be broken up into fun and engaging milestones, with an added dash of variety. Even if the variety is superficial or aesthetic, it still helps to break up the monotony of the task.

I would think it would be in the development team's best interest to keep all of their audience engaged, as opposed to catering to the ones that will simply do the content for the sake of doing the content. Most players are not easily as forgiving. If the work isn't fun, then it's work.

[StouterTaru]

My CRP desynth is 90, and I have my Rani Supra (BTN tool), I made 0 rubies, try again?

And how is that desynth progress past 90 going? Rubies cost 20k to make, rest of the ingredients in those recipes come out to another 20k tops. Your other options will cost you 4 times as much at least to make, or they will get you less than 0.01 per desynth average, or it's a 1/9 or 2/9 primal drop that you are rolling against 7 other people for.

PS on my server, first off Tomato Relish probably is your 'cheapest' option as it's mats are crazy cheap.

Yeah the ingredients are cheap, unless you factor in that you need 21 shards each. And it takes 10 HQ to get one pair of glasses. That turns that 500 gil recipe into 30k per pair of glasses.

[Kinseykinz]

And how is that desynth progress past 90 going? Rubies cost 20k to make, rest of the ingredients in those recipes come out to another 20k tops. Your other options will cost you 4 times as much at least to make, or they will get you less than 0.01 per desynth average, or it's a 1/9 or 2/9 primal drop that you are rolling against 7 other people for.


Yeah the ingredients are cheap, unless you factor in that you need 21 shards each. And it takes 10 HQ to get one pair of glasses. That turns that 500 gil recipe into 30k per pair of glasses.

Listen, you need to stop. You are wrong overall, on so many levels:

1. The OP, the topic is not about 'fastest' way to 100 in desynth, it's not even supposed to be about crafting. It's about 'hey SE, why all the grindy-crafty stuff for DOL...shouldn't we at least be doing grindy DOL stuff?
2. You keep assuming your servers prices=all server prices. That's simply not true. Overall, I waste less time/mats and gil by grinding out the 3-star furniture and selling it, than I would in blowing it up for leveling desynth...all other things not considered (like can you make the sub mats etc). So for some people, just buying the items needed IS less of a gil sink than procuring them on their own, due to the steps they'd need to take.
3. I am in no rush to get CRP desynth to 100. I got it high enough for my needs/got the BOTANY tool I wanted. So I probably will level it the remander of the way on assorted primal weapons, steps, and carby chairs. But right now, this isn't at all important to me in game.


So please just stop.

You're wrong that everyone who can craft 3-star synths can necessarily make their own mats for every said synth.
You're wrong that leveling the crafts needed/desynth needed is a better use of most 'dedicated DOL's time or energy
You're wrong that it's good development on SE's part that DOL rely so heavily on DOH to get their tool key items.

And most of your imput have been off-topic at best, and bad advice for many at worst. Every server is different, but for some, the best method is to buy the items.

[Cynthis]

I agree with OP and I am saddened that they didn't continue down some variant of how you got the luminary tool. Getting the ilvl70 hat and tools wasn't too bad since it relied on using your on class except progression is all about gear and melding more. I was really hoping the they would do something more with crafting classes than turn them into spiritbonding gear producing machines but that seems to be the way they are going now and don't even get me started on spiritbonding as a mechanic.

[Raldo]

Sure, it sucks, but there's also zero reason to get get those DoL tools in the first place. Not only is the difference between the i70 and i75 tools minimal; there's nothing you can't get w/o he 75 tool. I like Botany a lot, but there's no way I'm wasting my time/money on that.