BRD DPS (And how to improve mine!)

[Ooshima]

Not possible. ~270-280 is reasonable high plank for ilvl/weapon 90 Brd for a long fight.
If i90 could pull 300+ than i110 should pull 420+ and with i115 weapon should pull 450+ - that beyond reasonable numbers for bards.

If you haven't pulled it before, doesn't mean others can't lol.

All i90 DPS benchmarks are 300 and above on dummy, entirely possible.

Even for long fights, 300+ is still possible. I have done that pre 2.2 (ie, in 2.1 and earlier where max ilvl is 90) with my primal carry selling. Unless you solo heal, having 3 DPS for a Titan EX carry, your DPS needs to be good to push things, and 300+ for the entire fight is where you want to look at.

And yes, i110 BRDs can pull 420-450 depending on i110 or i115 weapon.

And nope, these are WITHOUT DRG buffs. My parsing method is no food, no DRG buff, 1 X-DEX used and approximately 3:20 - 3:30 for 2 Invigorate uses.

I did a dummy parse with the above methodology last week with i110 weapon, got 415. Did it with another FC BRD with HA Bow, he did 445.

EDIT: Insert the screenshot I took last week

[JohnMccain]

Is this using misery's end in your rotation?

[Ooshima]

Is this using misery's end in your rotation?

Nope, of course not lol. Who uses Misery's End (or Mercy Stroke the-like) during parses? Other than cheaters who intentionally inflate the numbers or people who doesn't really know how to parse

FYI I didn't use any typical macros such as binding BL to HS. Albeit a convenience, I find that manually firing them seems to produce a slightttttttly better result. But might be negligible or negated by BL proc RNGs

EDIT: At this equipment level, as MrSigy pointed out earlier, your initial burst can be within 600-800 DPS range depending on initial crit rate and BL procs, you should be able to maintain high 4XX to low 5XX for about 1min to 1min plus then slowly stabilize around 400-450 range.

EDIT2: All the T9 clearing BRDs in the FC are producing 400+ numbers, the WAR in my raid who plays BRD in T8 are able to produce 400+ at this ilvl too.

[Felessan]

If you haven't pulled it before, doesn't mean others can't lol.

You are full 110 with undercapped accuracy and cheated Novus stats and still you used X-potion to get to 415. Go repeat that with Rosen and without x-potion.

All i90 DPS benchmarks are 300 and above on dummy, entirely possible.

With Allagan weapon and potions? surely. Or with Elfin bow and crit/det jewelry (who needs accuracy anyway). With ilvl90 tailored for coil - i really doubt it.
2.1 was a different story for bards from 2.0 as Elfin bow is just another league to Zenith weapon.

[JohnMccain]

Alright cool was just making sure, hence you were parsing at an unknown zone(probably house with level 50 striking dummy). And I agree that's why I asked. It makes it inaccurate and not a clear representation of a fight when you use HP active skills like mercy stroke or misery's end.

Edit: I would also like to see your critical hit rate for this parse if you have it.

[Ooshima]

You are full 110 with undercapped accuracy and cheated Novus stats and still you used X-potion to get to 415. Go repeat that with Rosen and without x-potion.

With Allagan weapon and potions? surely. Or with Elfin bow and crit/det jewelry (who needs accuracy anyway). With ilvl90 tailored for coil - i really doubt it.
2.1 was a different story for bards from 2.0 as Elfin bow is just another league to Zenith weapon.

Undercapped accuracy? Nope, a BRD only needs 491 accuracy for T9, the little amount of attacks you do while tanking blue golems (if you do) and while stacking for Lunar Dynamo in Phase 4 is insignificant in demanding 515 accuracy. My FC mates who are both in teams that claimed our server first and second T9 clears doesn't gun for 515 accuracy either.

In 2.1 I am using Elfin Bow while MEETING T5 accuracy. (if course I won't be i90, it would be i87-i89 as I have to use CT pieces such as the shoes for accuracy). And for the record, my RNG was so bad, I only have the Allagan bow 4 days before 2.2, so don't bullshit me. I didn't bother keeping two sets of gears and tbh, and I only started using ACT in 2.3. My DPS stats are being told by friends who uses them during carries, such as parsing 315 with Elfin Bow with 47X acc. In that run the DRG died for a significant amount of time and I am jailed at least once.

Nope, your inability to perform at the same level doesn't mean others can't. Other BRDs have already shown you right here that they could. How about upping your own game? Or maybe ask around some of the top BRDs in your server and they could give you a tip or two while watching you parse on a dummy and tell you how to cross the 400 benchmark.

And it is a fact that top FCs of each servers consider that 300DPS is a benchmark for an i90 DPS regardless of gear configuration.


EDIT: Oh BTW, I do not disagree that people parses with different setting. That IS why I stated my parsing methodology. What's with you crying that I used X-DEX? A large amount of people parse with this configuration: 1 use of pot, no party buff. Food is subjective and can be synchronized for a fair comparison.

You could go ahead and parse under the same conditions that I do. Rosenbogen or Artemis Bow Novus, 400+ is still achievable (and maybe cut the "Novus is cheating crap"), and have been achieved before. And for your extra information, I only completed Novus 1.5-2 weeks ago, and for the rest of the time before that which I already cleared T9, I am using Rosenbogen.

EDIT 2: So to satisfy the naysayer, I stripdown my gear to i90 with Elfin Bow. Watch my ACC, it is T5 grade, and oh, under 500 critical hit. Meh that's not what those high crit stats you spoke about ignoring accuracy (which can be technically pushed to high 500 range).



And here's 2 consecutive parses using the same methodology I have been using:





And of course, don't come with me "you used potion!", why aren't you using then? In actual fight you have the time to use 1-3 potions anyways, and with party buff and DRG debuff, these numbers aren't even unrealistic.

Alright cool was just making sure, hence you were parsing at an unknown zone(probably house with level 50 striking dummy). And I agree that's why I asked. It makes it inaccurate and not a clear representation of a fight when you use HP active skills like mercy stroke or misery's end.

Sure:

It always says unknown location when I do it at FC house.

Averaged 28%, I'd say it is within the normal 25% plus minus range. Good RNG could push you towards 35% plus minus range, but that happens once in a blue moon





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Post Note:

And since someone said Novus is cheating stats, I have decided to run a parse using Rosenbogen after all these edits:



While undoubtedly Novus (44 crit 31 det) does have an advantage by stat weightage over the Rosenbogen, it will not make a heaven and earth difference. Ultimately even under a "dummy-fight" like T8, you have to also look at BL procs and crit %. Over here, I have lesser BL procs compared to the record last week with Novus, I have a higher overall crit % and thus the results is less than 1 point of DPS away from each other. But saying 400+ is not possible in dummy or T8 with i110 (HA weapon or not), I will wholeheartedly disagree. 400+ is certainly crossable, and have been achieved by many BRDs. It is NOT a myth nor garbage talk.

[arctic]

So how about some rotations / recommended macros / feed back on pot spamming / recommended foods? Numbers - cool I see 'em - so what the heck is the trick to getting them?

[JohnMccain]

And nope, these are WITHOUT DRG buffs. My parsing method is no food, no DRG buff, 1 X-DEX used and approximately 3:20 - 3:30 for 2 Invigorate uses.

I would like to see a ~4 min parse if you don't mind(2 invigorates+running out of tp).

[Ooshima]

So how about some rotations / recommended macros / feed back on pot spamming / recommended foods? Numbers - cool I see 'em - so what the heck is the trick to getting them?

BRD doesn't really have rotations. It is kinda a simple job to learn, but difficult to master. It requires your concentration and a little bit of experience to catch the timing to refresh your DoTs (and sometimes judge whether it is worth to spread DoTs), time and weave your buffs/OGCD skills in between your Heavy/Straight shot spams. Taking note of your BL/SS procs. BL should be fired off the immediate chance you have a OGCD slot (ie after a GCD skills). SS proc should be technically treated the same way, but since it can hold for 10s (or 8? can't recall off the bat), refresh your DoTs/fire off your other OGCD such as repelling shot etc before using the proc (of course you should not let it drop).

Other things such as ensuring that your DoTs are up before playing songs and your DoTs, when reapplied, are buffed by RS/BfF/IR as much as possible helps. There are a lot of little things here and there and tbh I'm still picking them up/practicing them. I only played BRD late 2.0 to get into coil (was a DRG, a really bad one lol) and been doing a lot of silly things and mistakes until I spoke to good and experienced BRDs for tips and corrections.

Macros is entirely personal preference. I used to macro BL to HS, but I'm back to full manual. Some people bind BL and ME to HS, some bind them to even the 2 DoTs. It's up to you.

I would like to see a ~4 min parse if you don't mind(2 invigorates+running out of tp).

I'll try to see to it.

[Judge_Xero]

Does Flaming Arrow not show up on data collection? Seems it would also be a good chunk of damage, especially when buffed.