Hunts are the best thing to happen to XIV's community since launch

[Kinseykinz]

We wait for B ranks on Gilgamesh so that everyone can get full credit. It works excellent for us. I always have my tanks reset if they possibly can if there aren't many people there. You can report and waste a GM's time if you want. But we like to make sure as many people get credit as possible. They help us, we help them. That's how it works on Gilgamesh, most of the time at least.


Edit: BTW I love hunts. I really like my community and have gotten to know many new people. Sure there are trolls, and we do our best to keep them out of the good linkshells. But at the end of the day it shows you the best side of people. People reset as best as they can when there are early pullers and will often wait 5ish minutes for A ranks, especially if they are hard to get to. I've played this game more because of hunts than anything lately.

See the problem? (Yeah, I didn't think you did)

YOUR community in your mind does not = Gilgamesh. It ='s the Hunt LSs...and from your own admission, only the 'good hunt ls's' So even within your 'hunting crew' there's a pecking order, a crew more deserving than the rest.

But see, those 'trolls' or 'early pullers' they are doing nothing of the sort.

First off, there is no such thing as an 'early pull'. If there were, people would be pulling mobs before they even spawned. This is not happening. They see it, they claim it. If it was anything else in life, if would be theirs. This is like seeing a co-worker eating a salad they got from the salad bar you have access to as well, and instead of getting up, and making your own salad, just grabbing theirs and saying 'thanks...this is mine. And when they get up, and bring back a new salad, and now maybe a cup of soup, saying 'That's mine too, and taking both from them again'. Also, you're not waiting 'to help others' in some noble quest. You're waiting because you need them. If your party's not there when that mob is engaged, you'll likely not get full credit...so you respect that they too want full parties there...esp since again, you hail from the same FC/LS/Alliance. Duh you take care of your own ppl. But you're not being noble...or respecting those on your server.

Secondly, 'trolls'. Well, if they really ARE trolling, they can be reported. So, I'm going to guess that 'trolling' really means=they don't play by the rules we made up and mess up our system, even though what they are doing is totally within the mechanics and proper intentions of the game. Because if they were abusive or rude=reportable. If they were abusing game mechanics=cheating and reportable.

The only 'trolls' in your post btw are the 'afore mentioned

I always have my tanks reset if they possibly can if there aren't many people there

and

People reset as best as they can when there are early pullers

Might does not equal right. If you want the mob, be there when it spawns and be first to claim, if you lose out, deal with it....ANYTHING else is bullying or as you like to put it 'trolling'

[Kinseykinz]

I'm really proud what my server is doing right now. I met lots new ppl who I used to see their name a lot but afraid to talk to them. Now, we can do things together and have fun.

oh well engrish is hard you guys figure out how to read the following or please skip it:

So Deli, you've known me since 1.0.

Have I ever been abusive to another player without provocation?
Have I ever taken advantage of those around me for my own gain?
You start off your 'HB' post by pointing out that you too were a victim of our server's 'kindness Alliance' But that, now that you joined them everything's peachy. And if you're happy this way, that's fine. But you're still letting them bully you. Sure, you're raking in the Allied Marks now, but your doing it by their rules, assisting them...helping you is just par for the course for them. And sure, you probably made some awesome friends like you who also are just cogs in the larger system...who like you got tired of getting yelled at and decided to just join the path of least resistance, but there's nothing 'kind' or 'generous' about these groups overall. It's very much a 'I'm helping you to help me more' scenario.

Still, Its NOT OKAY to me that they think they set the rules for the entire server and it's 'do it our way or we scream at you'. Your kind and gentle, circle of friends have harassed me, and screamed at me on at least 3 different occasions now. 2 of them, I FOUND AND TOLD THEM WHERE THE MOB WAS. The 3rd, I wasn't even in the same zone...someone else ticked them off and they made sure I heard of it as they felt I could 'keep my FC members in line' Yeah, cause THAT's what a good leader does.... enforces other groups made up rules that undermine your groups progress. They have harrassed my friends...some have been that abusive towards my friends they received temp bans from the game (the abusers not my friends).


So again, you start off your 'HB' post showing off what exactly is wrong with these 'bullies'... you're 100% correct, NO ONE should be screaming at anyone over 5 allied seals. You saw it first, no one was around...you changed gear, and STILL no one was around. They had no right to yell at you. You illustate how 'ellusive' getting into a Hunt LS/the TS server can be on our server, you show how frustrated you were....

Then you erase it all when you JOIN them. You know, they are still bullying those not it the 'alliance' right? You know, there's still no respect for the person with the initial claim right? Nothing changed... you just are on the 'inside' now. And even if your Hunt LS, is polite and welcoming as pie, it is still so tarnished by the bad behaviors of the faceless hoarde there is no salvation for them. (ESP since LS groups aren't easy to identify...how can any solo player know the LS griefing is always LS 'blah')....all the small group sees is 'masse of people screaming ...oh hey, I know that person yelling at me...gee, thanks'

[Aegis]

Mental note: Never transfer to Excalibur...

[Nukocafe]

but that's all calmed down now.

Every day while I'm fishing I see shouts on a map that XYZ pulled early, a stream of insults, a stream of "blacklist him" and a stream of "invite pls! reset pls!"

yea no. try again in 2.4.

And I've witnessed some of these participants mock you for wanting to join a party. It's not like when you're about to participate in a Behemoth or Odin FATE, where you ask to join a group and someone sends an invite. It's more like "NO! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE!" with some of these participants.

Now I have no negative feelings regarding the elite hunts themselves, it's the people.

Yea multiple times I'd run into a mark, 100 people around me, not a single person invites. I end up inviting 1 or 2 others asking for invites but with only 3 of us we don't generate enough aggro and don't get the full reward.

[Aegis]

Every day while I'm fishing I see shouts on a map that XYZ pulled early, a stream of insults, a stream of "blacklist him" and a stream of "invite pls! reset pls!"

yea no. try again in 2.4.

I wonder if it's a Legacy Server / Non Legacy Server thing in that case. A lot of people have posted in here agreeing with the OP.

[Nukocafe]

I don't really know if it's legacy or not legacy or whatever but isn't Excalibur legacy? Behemoth isn't legacy and its awful.
People who agree are those who play off peak hours...and of course all the idiots are at school/work. When I get home it's a disaster so I've tried not to participate too much anymore.
It's just not fun.

I've had more fun 2 manning a fate boss with a random passerby than this.

[NorthernLadMSP]

I've found hunts to be both positive and negative. I do enjoy getting out in the world more than standing around in Mor Dhona or Limsa waiting on Duty Finder. I've met a bunch of new, cool people by participating in hunting parties and joining a few LS's. When the monsters are popping, it's a good time, going from place to place.

However, with it comes the bad. That bad is in the form of certain people. On my server, while there are a lot of people who are polite and helpful and wait a little time before pulling, there is a particular FC who is quite infamous for being downright disrespectful to anyone who is not a part of their FC. It's people like this that put the negativity in the hunts.

[Azure_dragon-]

I don't really know if it's legacy or not legacy or whatever but isn't Excalibur legacy? Behemoth isn't legacy and its awful.
People who agree are those who play off peak hours...and of course all the idiots are at school/work. When I get home it's a disaster so I've tried not to participate too much anymore.
It's just not fun.

I've had more fun 2 manning a fate boss with a random passerby than this.

It's the same on legacy I'm afraid, even when it's not peak hours. I remember doing an S rank in mor'dona once. I was a WHM and solo, I must have rezed 8 players during the entire fight just waiting for the NM to appear on my screen. After a while my hp just dipped from full to zero. Didn't get a single Rez even after the battle ended :/

[JustPlainLucas]

I've seen a negative effect from hunts already. One time, I had to wait almost five minutes as a healer trying to get into a duty roulette, and that's never happened. Clearly, tanks were out hunting. Just imagine what it's like for DPSs who try to que... any content nowadays. Hunts are not real content in my opinion. They're too easy to do and give out way too much in terms of rewards. It's changed the dynamic of the game a great deal.

[Deli]

So Deli, you've known me since 1.0.

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look, I have no idea why do you asked me so much weird stuffs. I perfectly stressed "I" part that means it's only my personal opinion. I hided the whole that means I don't want to change people's point of view. I do not want to preach people and change people's idea about this hunt thing. However, I felt loved when I joined and I saw the OP had the same feeling as I do. That's why I was writing it.
If you really went into TS hunt channel, you will hear people repeatedly said do not yell at random people who pulled early.

It made me very sad that you took my post into a completely wrong way tho. that hurts.


edit:
I still can't believe how much your reply bugs me @ 3am of a sleepless night. I believe in "I" can wait for people because most of us are nice and also wait for each other. We form a nice circle around the mob and wait. even after once and once more ridiculous extension, we still follow the rule and hold our fires. Most of us don't yell at early pullers or solo hunters. However, there are always few bad players who is either too young to think for the others or miss clicked range skills or who has mental illness that can't hold their temper to just lose control.

I experienced both side of the situation and now I know sharing with the other 200 people is better. You believed in your own theory and started to yell at my belief, experience and all other well-behaved people are wrong. Pin picking little passage that I don't even meant to say inside my previous post. What made you different than these 1-3% ppl, who believed hunting should be done in a huge group and wait for everyone, yelled at you "you shouldn't solo the hunting target"? bully bully bully everywhere... so easy to just point out some bad people and accused the whole other 200 ppl as the same.

And the person who yelled at me for soloing the hunt target, I never saw her inside the hunt group.

Again, I have no interest to convert your thinking. that's your believe and experience. However, please respect mine.