Tanks need a guide to enmity generation.

[No2631]

As thread title. I just ran through the Cutter's Cry with a Paladin whose combo consisted of Fast Blade->Riot Blade. As you can guess, no one had a good time. While I'm all for letting people play the game they want to, I think it's important tanks at least get better opportunities to learn what enmity generation is.

As such I'd like to propose there should be an additional quest chain for tanks that introduces the concept of enmity generation, or at the very least a Help window or some other helpful in-game guide that explains that the line "Additional enmity generation" on the Rage of Halone combo is something Paladins should be very excited about, rather than the slightly higher potency on Riot Blade! I think newcomers would have a much better time of it if they understood what "enmity" meant, and why it's important for a tank to generate a lot of it.

[Ruri]

Even at 50 people still cannot hold hate. Had a Tam Tara HM with a warrior that wouldn't use defiance because it said it limited the skills he could use. So I ended up tanking most as Drg.

[Yoninxi]

You can't fix stupid, if you try, you will get yelled at.

[OPneedNerfs]

1) Tell them nicely to do something right.

If you get a rude reply:
If you're a DPS, take off all equips, except weapon. When asked why, tell them it makes you more aerodynamic.
If you're a Healer, take off all equips except weapon. When asked why, tell them it helps you bond with the spirits better.

That usually shuts all those "I play the way I want people up nicely".

[Cynthis]

In general, the class quests, among other things, should do a better job preparing us. I haven't done the tank ones yet but I am doing the CNJ/WHM ones now and I am baffled that in every quest I am the DD, even when there are NPCs involved because they are mostly CNJ as well. Wouldn't it make sense to have these quests pair me with some lancers and archers and my job was to keep them alive...not to mention have us in the same party during the fight?

[Duuude007]

As thread title. I just ran through the Cutter's Cry with a Paladin whose combo consisted of Fast Blade->Riot Blade.

So long that there was a LARGE group of adds the pld was holding with flash spam, this is actually the ideal combo.

Of course dps can undermine its value by attacking single targets too much without switching, but yeah. It has value in certain scenarios.

Edit: If a pld wants the above issue to be mitigated, he/she should mark the enemy they are using riot combo on, as the one for attackers to focus on. And the dps should actually pay attention to said mark... heh.

[silvach]

So here is the deal. We can talk about it as much as we want to, but the truth is that these tanks will never, ever read those forums. They just prefer to ignore anyone that wants to help. I have encountered two tanks in this game that were doing nothing else but spamming only RoH. Not comboed. Just RoH all the time. The problem was that they did not have any idea how the combo system works.

What you say (the trial for tanks) is not good idea. These tanks who want to learn will learn. These who don't will just skip the tutorial instantly without even reading anything. And even if they don't - do you really think that these tanks will be any good in the future?

[SwordCoheir]

Not that I don't agree with you OP, but really the requirements and rotations can change the higher your parties ilevel gets and will probably change a little more as the gap between Tank DPS and Melee DPS grows making it harder to keep hate with the up scaling DPS damage even with enmity modifiers.

[LukeyP666]

Not that I don't agree with you OP, but really the requirements and rotations can change the higher your parties ilevel gets and will probably change a little more as the gap between Tank DPS and Melee DPS grows making it harder to keep hate with the up scaling DPS damage even with enmity modifiers.

In support of the OP, I'm pretty sure he meant that the Paladin was ONLY using his Riot Blade combo, meaning no Flash either.

Yes, Riot Blade is good when paired with Flash, but if he's not using Flash with it, then that's the problem I think he was elluding to.

[Synestr]

1) Tell them nicely to do something right.

If you get a rude reply:
If you're a DPS, take off all equips, except weapon. When asked why, tell them it makes you more aerodynamic.
If you're a Healer, take off all equips except weapon. When asked why, tell them it helps you bond with the spirits better.

That usually shuts all those "I play the way I want people up nicely".

I am totally stealing this.

You wanna spiritbond, k I'm gonna bond with them spirits.