Twin Adder and the Double Frontlines

[Slib]

Thankfully I am on the south west side. That puts me at an advantage!!!!

[Kinseykinz]

OP's logic is totally flawed, but it does in fact seem like there have been, several (like lots actually) of battles where if I go scouting as an adder thoughout the battle this is what I see:

1-2 full parties of flames at markets (at beginning this makes potential sense). But many times, more than 10 remain at markets/pushing the Adder OP for the rest of the round.
1-2 full parties of maels at Manors (again at beginning this makes potential sense)....but once again, if they claim it, they tend to park 1+ parties on the flag.

Meanwhile, each of these teams also sends 1-2 parties worth of folk up Mid for nodes.

Now, this happens OFTEN. And in the SAME match.
This means: if you look further.

Typically 0-3 people are at any of their OP's.
Typically 0-3 people are at Suntemple.

So...you really don't want to know how many times I've stolen both OP's and the Suntemple due to this.

But logic would dictate, that if Maels noticed 'hey look flames are beating on Adders' they'd go after Suntemple. Or vise versa. But they don't. There have been times when joint forces from both Flames and Adders came in, claimed markets, let the '2nd place team grab flag' and ride off...NOT ATTACKING EACHOTHER.

Yesterday, this happened 6 matches in a row for me. The first 2 I was like WTH? How can be be fighting 2+ parties at both bases constantly+how do they knowingly see they have 1 party up top each and not attack eachother...why aren't they fighting eachother...we have like 200 points, they have 900 and 1100...shouldn't they be more focused on killing each other for 1st at this point? Then I went snooping (mostly cause we needed something, anything to claim for points at this point), and saw, as I said above, the 3 posts: Flames OP, Suntemple, Storms OP= no defense (Suntemple had 1 lone SCH). 6 matches in a row same thing, everytime, double-zerg Adders, don't fight eachother. Also interestingly, the 1st place wins between the Flames/Maels went back and forth...so they both one 3x, and came in second 3x (although by the 6th match turns out your 'loser bonus exp' is + than 2nd place....)

So while the OP's logic is horridly flawed (on paper, we ALL have the same 3-way battle), there is something fishy going on with 2 enemy teams working together to purposefully lock out the other team so consistantly.

Maybe the Adders are just too strong to take on 1:1....maybe there's some weird inter-alliance win trading going on....maybe both those teams are beyond dumb and can't figure out when they both are pushing the same team to re-direct and steal from the actual threat/hold their posts...dunno. But some strange stuff is happening to the adders.

[CeveArthu]

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Lots of matches i've been in had adders throwing 2 parties at manors and flames throwing 2 parties at sun temple, its just how matches turn out sometimes

I dont think to myself "omg tinfoil hat alliance between flames and adders" i think "time to snipe their outpost and then hope my team can take manors/temple back while they chase me away"

[hours]

Yesterday, this happened 6 matches in a row for me.

Holy crap, I am glad I am not the only one who noticed this.

In the past few days, I've been frequently experiencing the same circumstances. I am in Adders as well and it really looks like certain Maelstrom and Flames teams are trading wins. They don't attack each other. Adders was in first place with like 1200pts with Maelstrom and Flames at 800 (~10 pt difference between them). Flames kept attacking us when they could've attacked Maelstrom for second place. Meanwhile, we're busy fighting off flames and Maelstrom climbs to first place. And then they both attack us at the same time! Next match: Maelstrom does it for Flames instead!

It really seems like there are premades on both Maelstrom and Flames working together, or they just reallllllly dislike Adders but given their coordination, it's not very likely.

[Kinseykinz]

Lots of matches i've been in had adders throwing 2 parties at manors and flames throwing 2 parties at sun temple, its just how matches turn out sometimes

I dont think to myself "omg tinfoil hat alliance between flames and adders" i think "time to snipe their outpost and then hope my team can take manors/temple back while they chase me away"

Normally, I'd totally agree with you, which is why I started riding around (to grab the flags they obviously did NOT have guarded). As I too think, when that happens it's just the luck of the draw that match. What I found confusing, and what 'red flag'd' me was when on different occasions, I'd see Red and Blue come to take back lets say Manors, kill us all, Maels would get claim, and Flames would ride off...unattacked and w/o attacking the Maels. And what made even less sense, is typically when I would see this, we were the losing team...if anything, they should be leaving Adders alone and fighting each other... THAT is when I was like....okay, this is odd.

I also think that if you an I can deduce, 'gee, we seem to be fighting 2 parties on both fronts here, lets go steal their OPs to lessen the pressure' The other teams can figure that out too. Or if you're neck and neck for 1st and 2nd, and 3rd is waaaay behind, why keep poking them, go attack number 1's bases. But they aren't doing this. Instead, from start-end of match, no matter what the places/scores, they are simply keeping more than 1 full party at both Manors and Markets, and at least a full party up top. (they let the respawn reclaim their OP's as necessary).

[Atreus]

It really seems like there are premades on both Maelstrom and Flames working together, or they just reallllllly dislike Adders but given their coordination, it's not very likely.

I'm not in your datacenter, but you might be partially right. Does/did Adder have a rep for cleaning house? If so, it's not strange for the other teams to wanna put extra effort in putting you down. I wouldn't take it as an insult either. You might be dealing with coordinated premades, for sure, but Flames don't make deals with rotten sea whores. xP

EDIT: Also, I feel like if there really was some weird massive win-trade conspiracy going on, they would try to put you out of the game first before you got that many points. D:

[Synestra]

or they just reallllllly dislike Adders

Due the huge amount of healers Adders usually have this sounds like totally valid reason, usually all their 3 alliances have 4 healers while immortals have one or none unless someone is willing to change and i assume same goes with maelstorm.

[hours]

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Let's put it this way, we're known as the "Twin Badders". I am not certain about Adders alliances that play during timezones different from my own and while I personally have a significantly more favorable win:loss ratio, my team mates tend to always say that "Adders always loses" and "I've won only 10/70 times".

I didn't mention that they both used the same strategy that was too much of a coincidence. Adders was ahead only because both Flames and Maelstrom sat at their spawn points for the first couple of minutes while we captured every base uncontested. When the Node was close to spawning, one of the GC's would take their entire pool of people to zerg us while the other GC would take their/our bases and kill us off in mid. Rinse and repeat. And then this strategy was rinsed and repeated over and over again in subsequent matches with Flames and Maelstrom taking turns at first place.

[hours]

Due the huge amount of healers Adders usually have this sounds like totally valid reason, usually all their 3 alliances have 4 healers while immortals have one or none unless someone is willing to change and i assume same goes with maelstorm.

That's interesting because it's pretty difficult getting healers during the times I play at. Meanwhile, Flames and Maelstrom stack their 6+ healer parties......

[Remilia_Nightfall]

I hardly believe there is something like that happening.
People are just farming Frontlines, the rewards from being 2nd or 3rd are too genereous to bother doing something like what you are suggesting.

We cannot take OUR personal experience into consideration and project our analysis based only on that. There are days where Maelstrom wins a lot, while there are others where we fail like we were a bunch of constipated headless chickens. It all depends on the people playing at the time, and their skills.

Anything else is purely tinfoil hat stuff.