Fundamental Flaw With Frontlines

[Zagam]

You're not in pre-2.3 son, please try to understand that getting to that rank took a month of solid matches (aka, hoping that the queues would be good, which was almost never the case) to get that before hand and nobody knew what the rewards would be after patch, so they were annoyed about losing said rank

Are you really going to pull "back in my day" card? And besides, you're missing the entire point, the ONLY somewhat valid complaint you might have had, is now gone, reacquiring the pvp rank is trivial so the only one stopping you from playing with fc/friends is you.

[CeveArthu]

Are you really going to pull "back in my day" card? And besides, you're missing the entire point, the ONLY somewhat valid complaint you might have had, is now gone, reacquiring the pvp rank is trivial so the only one stopping you from playing with fc/friends is you.

Correct, but the time getting to rank 29 is probably half the time it takes to get to rank 34, so if i wanted to play with me freinds or vise versa, i would have to not only go through a month worth of matches, my last 2-3 months worth of playing the game would be pretty much void.

There is literally no reason why they can't do one simple fix to make the gametype more fun for everyone apart from "lore", lore should not ever spur a bad restriction on the game

But you're pretty stubborn and wouldn't admit that its more fun, so im pretty much done talking to you

[Divinemight]

Correct, but the time getting to rank 29 is probably half the time it takes to get to rank 34, so if i wanted to play with me freinds or vise versa, i would have to not only go through a month worth of matches, my last 2-3 months worth of playing the game would be pretty much void.

Excuse me? Didnt I just told you that you get to keep all primary PvP actions after they have tweak the PvP action system? You can play with your friend instantly, just take the peanlty of lost of all small buffs on PvP actions in which have no devastating effect overall. There is no Morale, and the worry about unable to use previous PvP gear is gone (on top of the fact that no one is really playing Wolf Den at this point). I am sorry, but you are the stubborn one.

[CeveArthu]

Excuse me? Didnt I just told you that you get to keep all primary PvP actions after they have tweak the PvP action system? You can play with your friend instantly, just take the peanlty of lost of all small buffs on PvP actions in which have no devastating effect overall. There is no Morale, and the worry about unable to use previous PvP gear is gone (on top of the fact that no one is really playing Wolf Den at this point). I am sorry, but you are the stubborn one.

I meant it would take a month to get back to my current rank, apologies if i didnt make that clear

People do still play wolves den, i've done 24 matches today as a matter of fact

[Zagam]

There is literally no reason why they can't do one simple fix to make the gametype more fun for everyone apart from "lore", lore should not ever spur a bad restriction on the game

But you're pretty stubborn and wouldn't admit that its more fun, so im pretty much done talking to you

How about its not that big of a deal and very few actually complain about it? stop speaking on behalf of the game.

Im stubborn? you're the one crying up and down how you cant play with friends when YOU CAN. But im glad you're done grasping at straws and have run out of poor excuses. Maybe now you can look back and realize how silly your argument is.

[Yotsu]

How people can defend a system that doesn't let you play with friends...

Anyway i don't understand the GC affiliations at all, why am i FORCED to choose GC anyway what if i want to have none and be "free"?
Why can i not be a mercenary and fight for the GC that pays most?

I want to play FL with my friend but we're both R40 so noone wants to lose their gear because of 4v4
All in all GC system is shit.

[CeveArthu]

Maybe now you can look back and realize how silly your argument is.

you're literally defending a bad design choice that stops people playing together and is the reason why we are seeing these huge GC membership shifts because of lower rank players moving to GC's they think win all the time

I'm the silly one?

[Nanaya]

A bit of a dead horse, but yes, you are correct. It is an abysmal design choice.

And it's not like this is the first MMO in their franchise to make it work, I recall Ballista doing it correctly. People who want to play PvP don't do it for the lore, but because they want to play some damn PvP. So whether you were Bastokan, Sandorian, or Windurstian, it would place you in whatever faction needed to bodies. And it worked fine, no one team never annihilated the other, because you were constantly changing factions based on who needed bodies. This would also absolve queue's being ridiculous for certain factions, since everyone would be the same.

So if FFXI, a far older MMO, can execute it well, why can't XIV? Why can't they take the good ideas from XI, and utilize them properly? Why did no one have the foresight to say, "Hey wait a moment, this is going to be really irritating for the player."

I have high hopes for Frontlines, unlike Wolves' Den, which is sort of hot garbage, which is why it bugs me so much. Potential squandered is far worse than something just being bad by default.

[Zagam]

I'm the silly one?

Ive been saying that since the start, so yes. your OPINION is silly and very few agree with you. And no, the design is fine, you cant please everyone.

[CeveArthu]

very few agree with you

The entire pre-2.3 pvp community agree'd with me, the design is not fine, wake up