[Pole] Do you want to see the summoner class reworked?

[Mjytresz]

O_O

Are you serious?

Wait...you're the same person in the other thread wondering why anyone would bring a SMN over a BLM to a raid. Yeah... I'm going to guess you don't know how to play your job properly.

You're saying SMN pet DPS is noticeable?
Maybe you're the one who doesn't do their job properly.

In fact, that's the problem I'm getting at: Aside from Contagion, pets largely don't matter.

Go sit in Akiza's corner, you'd have two things in common: you don't know jack and have a cult-like love for summoner.

When I think of which class to select, I think of two things:
1) What does its job well enough to stand-out?
2) What does it do?

SMN in FF14 is the typical DoT Killer with a Pet archetype. However, it doesn't exactly do either of these very well.
SMN is pretty great in a long-term fight where it can let DoTs tick, take advantage of Contagion, and properly use Fester. However, that's about it. SMN sucks pretty hard for AoE and for mobs that die in less than 15 seconds, those DoTs don't add up to enough damage to justify casting them. In which case, you're probably going to SF + Ruin spam anyway. If that's what we're looking for to get through trash mobs, I'd rather invite a BLM and have it AoE everything down so we can clear in less than the hour it'd take for the SMN.
As I said above, pets also don't contribute much. Aside from Contagion, do you give a shit what your pet is doing? Do you even use Ifrit or Titan? I can't remember the last time I went into a dungeon using anything more than Garuda. I can't remember the last time I saw another SMN using Ifrit or Titan either. If Contagion didn't exist, pets still wouldn't matter.

And that's the problem. Is this another DoT Killer mage with a pet? Affliction Warlock would disagree.
Is this a pet class with DoTs for sustained DPS? Considering how negligible your pet is, obviously not.

So, really, what the hell is SMN? Obviously it's an identity crisis. If this game didn't have raids, we wouldn't have SMN.

[Wolf_Shay]

Having played a Summoner in FFXI as well, I have to say I prefer my 14 Summoner as I can actually feel useful. I love the occult themes of the Arcanist and the seamless transition into the Summoner. I don't need a large pet clogging up the space on my screen, and would rather they didn't altogether. Ifrit could use a buff though.

[Niyariko]

Yes .

[Blackheart]

reworked, no. more skills, yes.

[Ardan]

Time Magic is more flashier and visual appealing for the Summoner base class than Arcanists Disease Mage.

So you're the equivalent of Michael Bay and have never heard of Time Mage before?

[ErryK]

I love the SMN as it is. I've only played for about 3 weeks now, but I started as BLM so most of my equipment was ready, but SMN is perfect as it is, save for the issue of Bane's AoE radius (I have an issue with tanks in Levi EX because I can't get Bane to hit the sahagin adds <_<).

[Jamez82]

Yes.

I feel like I'm playing a WoW Warlock instead of a "Summoner".

[Jediman]

summoner class is a disgrace as of now I'm level 45+ going as Arcanist because I do more damage then the advance so called summoner class even with the so called ifrit and titan they want us to to believe they are avatars from final fantasy series lol



ifrit is like a staff you can hold and say lol



you feel me lord of the ring has made ifrit that looks more like the dam ifrit avatar



All the summoners pet look more like beastmen pet in final fantasy xi.

Titan is like pail of rock molding together the developers didn't have time, So this is the end result of a crappy so called Egi base on a crappy idea.

[Maero]

Minor additions perhaps but overall i think summoner is fine the way it is

edit: cannot believe the amount that want the class reworked.
And some of you thinking arcanist does more damage then summoner, lol.
Yeah you need to learn the class better

[Vire]

No summoner is one of the more unique and interesting classes in the game. Very effective at what it does and has a decently high skill cap. Reworking it to be a complete pet class or a nuker like BLM would be terrible.

edit: The pets do close to 100 dps on t8 and t9 so yes the pets are very noticeable I have no idea what some of you are talking about the smn pet only be there for contagion thats ridiculous.