Expansion Jobs Speculation

[LineageRazor]

Something that can take cross class skills from everything else, and has a much wider range of armor/weapon possibilities, but takes a large stat nerf to keep everything level.

This is a great way to prevent RDM from being invited to anything, ever - particularly in a game like this where the roles are so stratified. While the RDM in your example can fill any role, people will ALWAYS want a specialized instance of that role. Ask yourself: You're building a party, and you have the option of choosing a good DPS or a below-average DPS. Which will you pick? Sure, maybe the RDM COULD play as a below-average tank or healer instead, but right now you want a DPS. So, which will it be: good DPS, or below-average?

FFXI had a similar problem with RDM in the beginning. It could nuke, but not as well as a BLM. It could heal, but not as well as a WHM. It could fight with a sword, but its stats meant that it did far less damage than a dedicated DPS. As folks figured out ways to optimize The Grind (and in an MMO, optimizing The Grind will always become a priority, no matter what The Grind happens to be), RDM got left behind. To compensate, SE made RDM a specialist in its own right, making it the best enfeebler in the game, giving it some unique debuffs, and also gave it support abilities including one that was all-but indispensable: Refresh (restores target's MP over time - in FFXI, only SMN had native MP regeneration, and even SMN's was very weak).

So, the only way they were able to make a jack-of-all-trades, master of none usable was to make it a jack-of-all-trades, master of ONE. If RDM in FFXIV doesn't have a role at which it excels and is defined by, it might as well not be in the game at all.

[SpecialKK]

Watching the video of the ninja, it almost makes me wish it was a Tank job much like how it was in FFXI. Stylistically, from that short clip, the Ninja just stood in front of the enemy with little movement, and when the time came used ninjutsu for additional effects. To me, that more closely relates to how a PLD/WAR plays rather than the movement-intensive melee DPS that we have in the game in Monk and DRG

[Rbstr]

I'm guessing Samurai, or rather I just want Samurai and it seems to fit in with having Ninja appear.
It'd be a counter/parry tank. I sort of see it not having the same stance permanent stance mechanic but instead using procs from parrying or stance-based combo sort of things. Can use that mechanic to mitigate damage and deal a fairly sizable amount of it too.
Basically FFXIV's version of Bravely Default's Sword Master.

[CodeCass]

Personally I'd love to see Puppet Master make a return.

Could even kind of mix it up a bit with the requirements being having to have CNJ at lvl 30 and Carpenter at 15 or something. I just think it would be a cool idea to work the DoH or DoL classes into the Job requirements for some cool new Job ideas!

Just my opinion

[Exstal]

So? Nobody said anything about role. The context is automatically having the job at 50 because the base class already is (Arcanist in the case of Summoner and Scholar). I don't ever have to play Summoner to have it at level 50 already because I leveled it for Scholar. That is the point, not roles.

So your rebuttal is a straw man.

SCH is different because of their job skills, but that heavily lends itself to the fact that it's a different role. DPS SCH plays pretty much the same as SMN. If SCH was another DPS, then it wouldn't be very different at all. So it matters what role the new class is.

Well, perhaps one way: The fact that Yoshi-P was even CONSIDERING adding Thief as a Class rather than a Job indicates that he wasn't totally familiar with the fact that Thief is one of the Classic Six FF jobs: White Mage, Black Mage, Red Mage, Thief, Blackbelt (Monk), and Fighter (Warrior). White Mage, Black Mage, Monk, and Warrior are all Jobs, not Classes. If Red Mage and Thief are ever added, and are NOT added as Jobs instead of Classes, the whole Internet will explode with OCD nerdrage.

The way I read it, Rogue *should* be named Thief. It shouldn't be Rogue, 双剣士, Surineur, and Schurke but rather be named, Thief, シーフ, Voleur, and Dieb. But lore caused problems so the former was chosen.

In Naoki's mind, Rogue *is* Thief and that's the end of their intention on that matter. I wouldn't dare claim that Thief job is off the table because in desperate times, people will do wild things.

[Totobi]

Watching the video of the ninja, it almost makes me wish it was a Tank job much like how it was in FFXI.

That was unintentional, the were never designed to be tanks, and, seriously... Just think about the concept for a second? A Ninja, master of stealth and assassination... A tank? A role that charges in head first and screams for all the aggro? Sorry, sounds dumb ><

[Meshico]

Samurai is a tank

Healer idk, but Samurai is a tank

(gut feelings)

[Fated]

Tank - Time Mage
Healer - Dark Knight

[Xandim]

Watching the video of the ninja, it almost makes me wish it was a Tank job much like how it was in FFXI. Stylistically, from that short clip, the Ninja just stood in front of the enemy with little movement, and when the time came used ninjutsu for additional effects. To me, that more closely relates to how a PLD/WAR plays rather than the movement-intensive melee DPS that we have in the game in Monk and DRG

The video was made that way just to showcase the ninjutsu, just like when ARR was about to launch there was a video of every job doing some random stuff.

[Telvorei]

Jobs don't have guilds, though. Jobs are avenues of experience that adventurers independently explore after exhausting everything that their class's guild has to teach them. If, after graduating from the well-known and respectable Rogue's Guild, an adventurer decides to undertake the tutelage of Siegfried, the infamous Thief, to learn some of the less savory abilities that the respectable Rogues left behind them (Steal, Sneak Attack, etc), they can track him down at his hideout to unlock the job.

That's just one possible way Thief could be added to the game, that does not conflict in any way with what has already been stated.

This. I do think that someday Thief could exist.

Im thinking Samurai like the rest of you. I can't picture them adding Ninja without Samurai. Samurai will most likely be a tank if I had to guess.