The Ultimate Black Mage Resources with Damage Calculator

[HaroldSaxon]

I have the choker already. I'm sitting at 443 accuracy atm.

I really don't like the idea of giving up too much det, though, since crit doesn't mean as much when your base damage is lower. Also, our job is already highly RNG dependant. Crit makes it more so.

The whole crit/rng argument gets pretty much destroyed in long fights, which is where spellspeed is good anyway. Over a long fight the amount of crits you get will tend to your critical hit rate, especially if you have a large amount of spellspeed.

Determination is the lowest weighted stat, and gives you the lowest amount point for point. At i100:

Chest/Legs:
Main:27 det/38 crit/38 spellspeed, Secondary: 19 det/26 crit/26 spellspeed

Head/Gloves/Feet:
Main: 16 Det/23 Crit/23 Spellspeed, Secondary: 11 det/16 crit/16 spellspeed

Waist/Jewelry:
Main: 12 Det/17 Crit/17 Spellspeed, Secondary: 9 Det/12 Crit/12 Spellspeed

As you can see, you get far more stat out of crit than det. Its fair enough if you choose not to run it and run determination instead, as you can run with whatever you want, but it gives far more stats than it does determination, and is weighted higher.

[CasuallySerious]

Determination is the lowest weighted stat, and gives you the lowest amount point for point.

I agree with most of what you said however determination is actually our highest weighted stat once you get a good weapon. The high allagan staff has WD of 77 but even at 75 WD det is worth 0.283. Spellspeed is next and then crit is the lowest. Now if the choice is 19 speed/crit vs 13 det than the 19 will still be better but if the stats are even - Det > Speed > Crit with a weapon that has at least 75WD.

[Uninstall]

I agree with most of what you said however determination is actually our highest weighted stat once you get a good weapon. The high allagan staff has WD of 77 but even at 75 WD det is worth 0.283. Spellspeed is next and then crit is the lowest. Now if the choice is 19 speed/crit vs 13 det than the 19 will still be better but if the stats are even - Det > Speed > Crit with a weapon that has at least 75WD.

Really? I thought determination is the stat that scaled worse with gears while crit is the one that scaled better with more damage. This is why I sanded my gloves instead of my hat as HA mask is 18 crit vs HA glove's 12 det.

[YanderePrincess]

Really? I thought determination is the stat that scaled worse with gears while crit is the one that scaled better with more damage. This is why I sanded my gloves instead of my hat as HA mask is 18 crit vs HA glove's 12 det.

I think you're right, at least if I'm understanding the resources at the start of this thread correctly (and the information in them is correct).

The more I think about it, the more it makes sense, too. Crit is a % increase in damage, albeit not equal to the full % of crit, I think (Crits are 150% damage, right? so I think that would make every 1% increase in crit rate = +.5% dps). From what I've understood about determination, det is a flat increase to damage, not a % increase to damage. As in, X det = Y points of damage, rather than X det = +Y% damage. So, if you were adding 20 damage from your determination at base damage 20, that's a 100% increase in damage. But, if you're adding 20 damage from your determination with a base damage of 100, that's only a 20% increase, and at 1000 damage, that's a 2% increase in damage. If someone who has a clear understanding of how it works could confirm, cause this is just what I'm getting from trying to assimilate a lot of math that is otherwise beyond me. lol

[HaroldSaxon]

I agree with most of what you said however determination is actually our highest weighted stat once you get a good weapon. The high allagan staff has WD of 77 but even at 75 WD det is worth 0.283. Spellspeed is next and then crit is the lowest. Now if the choice is 19 speed/crit vs 13 det than the 19 will still be better but if the stats are even - Det > Speed > Crit with a weapon that has at least 75WD.

If you believe what EMX has said. The fact that he's only personally used one gearset for BLM to test, and has just used his physical damage formulae screams as poor testing. He's only done testing with an i90 weapon. He also took some data from another person in his damage formulae thread, but even with that, there was very little variation in gearsets. He's since moved onto League of Legends and Wildstar rather than be bothered to actually test things properly.

[PuroStrider]

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A little spoiler before I post the calculator:

Current BiS weights (470 ACC CAP):

*See SpreadSheet for current BiS stat weights*

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Things to Note:

These values are DYNAMIC (Meaning they fluctuate with different WD/INT/DET/CRIT/SSPD values).

So, you CANNOT use the same weight to compare gear sets if one of these stats is different (explanation below). It is not a one-size fits all kind of deal because EACH GEAR SET WOULD HAVE ITS OWN STAT WEIGHT.

So, keep this in mind when comparing phat lewtz or you could just disregard the stat weight BS altogether and plug in numbers into the calculator to get your theoretical INT and DPS value.

TL;DR - I made this sexy calculator to make our lives easier, so use it or I will cut you.


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+WD will increase worth of everything and then some (bonus damage boost to every point of INT and DET)
+INT or DET will increase worth of everything
+SSPD will increase SSPD's INT worth
+CRIT will decrease CRIT's INT worth*

*This is due to the fact that INT is already benefiting from the base 5% Crit chance at level 50 (341 Crit pt). So, by adding more crit points, we are also adding more crit damage to this 5% base. It just so happens that this extra crit + raw damage from +1 INT is always more than +1 CRIT pt for any given gear set, and therefore crit will never be able to catch up, and instead fall behind.