How to Play: Frontlines PVP -- Important Breakdown of Mechanics

[Zagam]

I do find it odd, though, that every single victory I've experienced so far involved heavy focus on middle by my GC. I mean, I'm not at all doubting your results, but I have trouble fully convincing myself that each and every time was mere coincidence.

That's because you never leave out PvE, the guide is horribly wrong and extremely misleading. Making numbers work to prove false points. The biggest mistake losing teams make is to try and win/hold 3 locations instead of 2 with PvE. the 3OP strat worked the first few days but is easily destroyed now with much better strats. The only strat that is full proof is reacting to the other teams. If you find ones like the OP then hit the weak points right before pve and rake in the win, while the OP is scrambling to win back precious OPs that do nothing when you keep losing them.

[Mecan]

That's because you never leave out PvE, the guide is horribly wrong and extremely misleading.

I never said to leave out the PVE. I even stated that: "Middle, despite it's pitiful net worth in points, can still be very valuable toward victory but its value comes a lot later into the match than many people think." I said that right at the beginning of the guide. Did you just read the first section and throw up your hands and say "Misleading!". If you read the Beginners Tips section too on my blog, you'll clearly read that I insist people rush in at one point an kill the boss -- that will always help assure victory! All this guide is trying to suggesting is that it's a bad idea to keep a team in middle for the entire game. Camping middle doesn't benefit anyone. Please try and read. I know I have a lot to say, but I am really trying to cover basics and not give exact battle plans. I don't list any strategies at all, just facts.

[Zagam]

I never said to leave out the PVE. I even stated that: [I]"Middle, despite it's pitiful net worth in points, can still be very valuable toward victory but its value comes a lot later into the match than many people think.

Lets just stop there because its clear you cant handle any negative feedback and are trying way to hard to force your ideals on everyone.
If you really think the pve at the start is pitiful then I don't know what else to say.

The guy in the other thread hit the nail on the head,

Actually, you spam the chat nonstop with "order macros" that are obnoxious and foolish. You cause an annoyance to veteran players and confusion to newer players. You should spend less time talking and spamming these macros and more time not being outdamaged by tanks.

THAT'S why you get hated on.

Your idea of a perfect match is far from the best, every group there's always someone thinking they are the boss saying the same thing, whenever its followed is not only a loss, but a loss by a massive amount.

[Mecan]

Your idea of a perfect match is far from the best, every group there's always someone thinking they are the boss saying the same thing, whenever its followed is not only a loss, but a loss but massive amount.

That's not my experience. Generally when people actually pay attention to the macros, macros which I spent several hours planning and creating, the team wins in a huge, massive landslide victory -- and I don't mean the type that's are cake walks. When people move where I tell them to and do what I tell them to do, we win -- easily. The problem is that there are players who back-talk, which confuses players. Unproductive people shout back "Don't listen!" -- they confuse new players. Every time I play a game with absolutely no back talk it's a beautiful game with no problem. The people who get angry at macros are very unprofessional and get offended by someone trying to organize. They take it the wrong way.

I spend most of my time observing and watching the flow of battle, everyone's HP bars, marking locations, and defending points. My team hates to defend points. I get out DPSed often when I have to be the solo-guy holding a point, fighting off 2+ people while trying to organize an effort. Each time I ask for support to defend something as simple as the main OP -- I get people lashing back saying "Don't Listen!".

People like me who put effort into PVP, have lots of experience leading and doing mass-PVP --- just came back into this game to enjoy the mass-PVP. Yes, I'm going to keep trying to command via macros. This is what I've done for years and years and years in many mass-PVP games and enjoyed wonderful victories. The people who say "Don't listen!" are the true problem.

PS:

I've seen people just SIT at spawn and never play just to spite me. Just to try and make me look like some ass because we lose. They throw the match on purpose to give me a bad name. That is toxic, cruel behavior my friend.

[Zagam]

You need to lose the god complex and start nuking something.

[Atreus]

The guy in the other thread hit the nail on the head

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The team that wins is the team that has superior players. It's as simple as that. And usually, the more organized premades the better. Furthermore, strong "B" teams usually bring pretty substantial victories, and they never neglect the middle. This thread could (and should) have been shortened to just the point values for everything (which have been posted before http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...g-of-Frontline) and/or that GamerEscape link. Everything else is opinion. "A" for effort though.

While you're "watching everything" and spamming those macros, your team is carrying you. You enjoy that. Also, I've seen you standing around in the middle of an attack chatting. As the good man stated:

You need to lose the god complex and start nuking something.

[Poringing]

Nice guide on the importance of the middle area, but you left out one important detail.

Frontlines is a 3-way fight. Completely ignoring middle is setting yourselves up for 2nd place, here's why:

Over a 10-minute duration, you get 800 points for taking 3 posts.

The stronger among the two other GCs will take 2 posts and the middle, giving them 960 points. While the weaker one will eat dirt and take 3rd place.

In every definitive/ landslide victory I was in, the whole alliance had a set schedule:
30:00-28:00 Attempt to secure 3 bases
28:00-26:00 One team moves to middle (usually team B) and (also usually) takes out 2/6 drones
26:00-25:00 Attempt to secure 3 bases
25:00-23:00 One team moves to middle (usually team B) and (also usually) takes out 2/6 drones
23:00-21:00 2+ teams (usually B + half of the others or more) goes to the center to wrestle the tower +/- drones
21:00-19:00 Attempt to secure 3 bases
19:00-17:00 One team moves to middle (usually team B) and (also usually) takes out 2/6 drones
17:00-15:00 Attempt to secure 3 bases
15:00-? Secure the middle with 2+ teams (usually B + half of the others or more), unless other plans are made
...
Usually A and C will creep into another region's main camp, if situations permit.

You don't need one team camped at the center to take that 560 points (with other teams involved, this usually becomes 320 points). Your faction may lose bases for a while but who cares, you're only gone for a minute or two and netted 200+ points. You can spend the rest of the time securing your 3 bases. Considering team B will periodically double the number of people of an area, this will effectively put a stop to alliances trying to consistently hold 3 bases (OP's strategy).

Lastly, the center is usually a hotbed to score points from kills. Not an easy place to successfully retreat.

Additional strategy: Focusing against one faction

More often than not, alliances are dead set on 1st place, even though we're already in for 10 minutes and behind by 500 odd points. Some calls should be made to completely ignore the 1st place faction and attempt to shut down and overtake current 2nd place to end not last. The same can be said for 1st place vs 2nd place.

[Nayto]

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The team that wins is the team that has superior players. It's as simple as that. And usually, the more organized premades the better. Furthermore, strong "B" teams usually bring pretty substantial victories, and they never neglect the middle.

TBH I've had a couple of B teams that neglect middle but held other GC's OP's that tend to be unguarded ("middle is your god" mentality probably). Lost the boss add to them, but the accumulation of points from having 4 flags the whole match far outweighed handing the middle to them.

So from an unbiased viewpoint (I don't know this Mecan fellow, so I'm assuming it's biased opinion due to his actions in-game), his point has some merit to it. And like he stated, the middle is designed as a tie breaker. Meaning if no GC has had overwhelming captures, it's probably a good idea to abandon all you have near the end to control the middle for a 'burst' later in the game (preferably on boss, then add spawn).

[Logo]

Generally when people actually pay attention to the macros, macros which I spent several hours planning and creating,

LOLing so hard, again...

macros which I spent several hours planning and creating,

dyin.