Raise/Ressurect too low

[yukikaze_yanagi]

What level you think then ? 30 is a nice level for raise, but 40 it's just too hight for a second tier, foremost there's another at 50. The most oblius chance would be 20, but is a joke like 14...maybe 20-35-50 would be the right levels, but honestly, who cares ? Mages complained how raise is too hight, now because it's too low ? Rofl

Now it's complain time : why thm don't getting a second tier for resurrect ? My bandwagon class is disappointed !

[odintius]

Really this is really worth even crying over some people will never be pleased. Dev team keep it up imo.

[Zeno]

Paladins get it at level 10 in WoW. Clerics get it at like... level 4? in D&D. White Mages get it at 25 (of 99) in FFXI, which is about 14/50 so, Please shut up.

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[syntaxlies]

The real problem is the leveling curve, not the rank requirement for R1. Getting to 14 is such an absolute joke right now that basically everyone will have raise. In fact, it's so easy that when I wanted to level archer to 14 for the buffs I didn't even have to buy arrows. I just used conjurer spells and I still finished in a couple hours. Rank 38 was certainly too high for the first raise spell but 20-25 would have been appropriate with the current leveling curve. At least make it take a little effort to get. My mages are ~30 so I don't even have raise currently and have no sense of entitlement to them for any amount of work I've put into the game so far.

Why say that raise should be 20-25? why not just say that getting to 14 should be made more difficult. The raise at 14 is intended to help players in a rank 10 dungeon, how would 25 benefit that.

[syntaxlies]

Ok here's a scenario for you. You go into one of those instances with conj, thm, other 6 probably dd's and tanks.
You get wiped by that 8k move and assuming one mage survives it will still take 15 -20 min to recover? That doesnt seem overpowered or easy. If anything people should be complaining we dint get reraise because that will be next big thing if the raids are indeed difficult.

I dont think the mobs will hit for 8k in a rank 10 dungeon

[Cidolphus]

I think the issue for me is that the conjurer gets the high-level resurrect spells. This doesn't fit within the game world they've established. The thaumaturge guild is interested in questions of life and death, in discovering a method to resurrect the dead--not the conjurer's guild!

So either they plan to completely reboot the thm and con story lines, or...

...they don't even know their own mythos.

[Verecund]

GAME IS TOO EASY TAKE AWAY OUR BUTTONS AND BAKE SALE AGGRO FLYERS QQ

On a more serious note, resurrection spells and effects were severely and rightly nerfed and people are now complaining about making Raise available to parties at a level prior to getting 1-shot by imps. Will you mentals ever be happy?

inb4minimap makes the game too easy

[northernsky]

Really this is really worth even crying over some people will never be pleased. Dev team keep it up imo.

I've read tons of these comments but honestly there's hardly more than 10 complaining posts from 2 different people in a 250 or so posts thread

[Roaran]

Seriously, rank 14 is a slap on the face of everyone that worked hard to get it at rank 38. That's even easier than getting cure II. Rank 14 is like an hour or less of leveling. They should have made it rank 25 or rank 30.

I'd just like to break the OP's argument down.

Seriously, rank 14 is a slap on the face of everyone that worked hard to get it at rank 38.

Really? This argument is only applicable to Thaumaturge, as there is yet no announced abilities that compliment the Conjurer's new spells. Now, is this a slap in the face to Thaumaturges who achieved rank 38 for the sole purpose of this single spell? Considering your own individual situation, nothing has changed; therefore, you have not been slapped in the face.

That's even easier than getting cure II. Rank 14 is like an hour or less of leveling.

I believe this was the entire point; was it not? They wanted more people to have access to these spells, and to have them earlier on. I fail to see the problem here.

They should have made it rank 25 or rank 30

First, no abilities are learned on odd ranks. Thus half your suggestion becomes stupid. Secondly, if you want to make a comparison to other games, FFXI and WoW for example, FFXI offered Raise at level 25 of 75 and World of Warcraft at I believe 24 of 50 at first but has since changed to 12 of 85. Both are far neared to the early game than the current Rank 38 or your proposed Rank 30. Without offering any insight into your opinion you have no ground to stand on and thus your argument, at this time, is useless.

[BloodLotus]

I'm really surprised that this is a big deal to some people.

I find the level change to be a good thing. Everyone will have raise on the field and it'll be used to avoid durability loss. Not really a game breaker.

You guys are silly.