If locked gear progression is still valued, why do sands/oil still flow free in Hunts

[Welsper59]

That's exactly what I was thinking. That player clearly doesn't understand just how bad it can be. Especially on a highly populated server. It's bad and Syrcus tower with unlocked sands would be by far faste and with much less headache. Nothing like having my own teammates right there when it spawns so we get the first heads up only to have some group run up before we all gather and kill it.

Also if he were in my party sitting in town I'd boot him from my group. Go out and help or get out you waste of space. You're just leeching off the hard work of others then go on talking about how easy it is.

Actually he's right on the aspect of it being faster/efficient to go through hunts. The thing a lot of people don't do (including myself) is join a LS/FC that is dedicated to elite hunting. Even when you do, you join a party (ideally a full 8-player one). Depending on how many people show up, and if it's a B rank or not, you may not get full credit for the kill, but it's just a slight hindering when you know that within the next 5min, another B/A/S will be up and ready to be killed by your group/LS/FC.

This is all somewhat dependent on your server though. The extremely populated servers will have difficulty with 100+ players going at it 24/7. Others will generally see an average of 50+ players at any given moment, regardless of time, and those will be the ones that likely get frequent max reward yields. For the most part, people really shouldn't be waiting very long for the pull if they want a better chance at the max reward. While it's nice to see that players are being courteous for each other (even if it's just their own LS/FC/Party), the system doesn't really reward you for being overly courteous. Currently, it wants you to just go for the kill when you have the necessary numbers.

[Kagari_Asuha]

I think most people missed the point of the thread. It's not that you can get the items from allied seals. It's that there's no limit to how many you can get, except how many seals and logs you can get. Whereas in other content, you ARE limited in how many you can get.

Right. It goes against Yoshi-P's established philosophies and makes absolutely no sense when stacked against CT and Coil until 2.4 anyway.

[Lithera]

It actually just brings soldier gear on par with where myth gear was in the beginning. Myth and Coil 1 have the same ilevel but soldier was set 10 ilevels below Coil 2. Keep in mind you may be able to get countless oils and sands but you'll very quickly upgrade all your soldiery and be back to being locked behind the weekly soldiery cap for more gear to upgrade. Basically it puts us where we were at at 2.1 launch.

[ispano]

It actually just brings soldier gear on par with where myth gear was in the beginning. Myth and Coil 1 have the same ilevel but soldier was set 10 ilevels below Coil 2. Keep in mind you may be able to get countless oils and sands but you'll very quickly upgrade all your soldiery and be back to being locked behind the weekly soldiery cap for more gear to upgrade. Basically it puts us where we were at at 2.1 launch.

Except even Yoshi said that Myth being on par with Allagan was a mistake in one of the letters. It's too early to open the flood gates like this honestly.

[Makado]

LOL, you must live in a fantasy world where people actually wait for others to arrive before pulling/killing the monsters. Either that, or you're blessed to be on a server that has people that want to help themselves AND others vs. just helping themselves.

On Excalibur we have people who have capped at 4000 seals on accident because they forgot to spend them. Our hunt community is very good, especially late night.

[Velthice]

It actually just brings soldier gear on par with where myth gear was in the beginning. Myth and Coil 1 have the same ilevel but soldier was set 10 ilevels below Coil 2. Keep in mind you may be able to get countless oils and sands but you'll very quickly upgrade all your soldiery and be back to being locked behind the weekly soldiery cap for more gear to upgrade. Basically it puts us where we were at at 2.1 launch.

That's all well and good, but then why are there lockouts in CT?

[cczzzz]

I love how the excuse for keeping coil character locked and not job locked was because they wanted to prevent the number of high lvl items from coming into the world, then they go ahead and do this hunt junk. So what's the excuse now for keeping coil locked?

[Cherie]

A new thing they could do is replace the tokens you get from the weekly 3 ex primal quest and replace that with the unidentified tomestone.

Then you could turn those in and get the weapon. Maybe they should take away the soldiery requirement though. That sounds like too much farming.

Maybe they could increase echo to 100% buff in the ex primals though and just turn it on when you enter. I don't feel like wiping so much to get that buff.

[Sygmaelle]

It takes a lot more effort to hunt 750 seals

It took me 2 hours and I didnt loot any book.

[Illya]

That's all well and good, but then why are there lockouts in CT?

Both ST and Coil 2 should just be unlocked at this point. It makes no sense to keep those locked but have Hunts be unlimited. The reason everyone is zerging the Hunts is, well, what else is there to do? Once you've gotten your weekly ST item and done your weekly Coil runs, you're done for the week. So everyone's being funneled towards Hunts right now if they want to do anything at all, but if ST and Coil 2 were unlocked players could do that instead if they wanted to.