How to fix FATES (and to a degree marks) in three easy steps

[Ultimatecalibur]

The main problem FATEs seem to have is lack of decent non-XP rewards currently. GC seals are worth very little and easy to collect elsewhere and the Gil rewards barely cover repairs.

1. more chain FATEs
Like the one in northern Thanalan, where it start easy and the difficulty increase with every next FATE in the chain. And at the end a hard boss fight.

There are 7 Fate chains that I know of and few are paid very much attention. The lowest level one is Attack on Highbridge (level 24) in East Than and The Hive (level 32) in South Shroud is another. I rarely see either of these chains done. I can not count how many times I've seen Attack on Highbridge: Denouement (this starts spawning when the Attack on High Bridge fates are failed and will keep spawning until completed, and only then will Attack on Highbridge: Prelude start spawning again) or Breaching the Hive (First fate in the Hive chain) timeout. More Fate chains will not do anything unless people are actually doing them.

My suggestion would be to give the following Fates the following Allied Seal rewards for successful (Gold) completion:

Lazy for You - 10
Attack on Highbridge: Act I - 1
Attack on Highbridge: Act II - 1
Attack on Highbridge: Act III - 3
It's Not Lupus - 10
Breaching the Hive - 2
Clearing the Hive - 3
Defending the Hive - 2
Keeping the Hive - 3
Svara's Flight - 1
Svara's Fear - 1
Svara's Fall - 3
Svara's Fury - 3
The Eyes Have It - 20
Dark Devices - The Plea - 1
Dark Devices - The Bait - 1
Dark Devices - The Switch - 1
Dark Devices - The End - 2
Go, Go, Gorgimeria - 20
He taketh It wiith His Eyes - 60
Steel Reign - 60

[Saccharin]

1. Add complications and variables. Players don't mind having to use a strategy. As a rule, half the FATEs should not be able to be completed with only 1 class, much less one person.

More interesting mechanics come with problems. First of all, open world content can't be too challenging because you have lots of uncoordinated people. Do you want taunt wars with multiple tanks trying to take control of the boss and wiping rest.

There's also the repetition. FATES are basically grinding content whether it's for XP, ATMA or seals. While complex FATES might be fun at first you'll likely get sick after to 100th one.

Group FATES only work when there's enough people to group with otherwise they are just there until they despawn. Improved scaling tech is a better solution.

2. Create a hard mode. All those fates where the guy stands there and waits for someone to open the FATE? Yeah. Plenty of opportunity to make FATEs specifically for the level 50s who want extra challenge (they show show on the map as a different color) instead of having a bunch of fully decked pcs completely negate the new guys who are using the FATEs to level. On its own, level sync is not a challenge it's a replay.

ARR just isn't that kind of game and people just need to accept that. Most MMO players just aren't into that kind of thing. Carbine just launched Wildstar as this hardcore MMO but it'll come back to kick them on the arse later, mark my words. If you want to get frequent updates you want to cater for as many players as you can. If you put in hardcore content then you also have to have a more forgiving version because creating content for a small amount of your player base just doesn't make business sense. The brutal, or was it savage, version of Coil is SE testing how multiple dificuilties work out. If only a very small percentage do it then it's just not viable.

3. FATE Actions. FATEs are supposed to be people coming to together, but has anyone made a friend through a FATE? (Not a FATE party, an actual FATE). Do people work together during a FATE or is it mindless?

We need better grouping options I think. In Rift you can set your party to public and at the top of the screen, when there's an open world event and an available party, you can join it. To do this they would have to make parties much bigger, eight is just not big enough. Keep instanced content for at most eight people because frankly anything larger and you struggle to recruit later down the line. The days of 40 man raids are gone.

FATEs only need 2 things

1. more chain FATEs
Like the one in northern Thanalan, where it start easy and the difficulty increase with every next FATE in the chain. And at the end a hard boss fight.

Yes, they need to be more involved and tell a story not that some vegetable monster has appeared and he looks evil so must be killed. Give us a story. SE have done a great job with the patch main story. I liked the FATE in the Highlands that started at Camp Dragonhead and ended at the Steel[?] Vigil and the big dragon. These are the kind of FATES I want to see.

2. more variety
In moment we have gathering FATEs, escourt FATEs, protect FATEs and "hitting the enemies with the weapon until they die" FATEs. There need to be more mechanics in the FATEs.

We need to have fewer FATES but yes more variety. Being open world content the complexity has to be limited. One shot mechanics for example just don't work well with many uncoordinated people.

The main problem FATEs seem to have is lack of decent non-XP rewards currently. GC seals are worth very little and easy to collect elsewhere and the Gil rewards barely cover repairs.

This isn't an issue with seals but rather there need to be seal dumps for a want of a better word. I finished doing my ATMA chain and managed to accumulated a lot of seals. I dumped them mainly in ventures. there needs to be more seal dumps. Maybe crafting mats. Just a suggestion but stuff like that.

My suggestion would be to give the following Fates the following Allied Seal rewards for successful (Gold) completion:

Hell, hell no. It doesn't matter the conversion ratio. Hunts were given a separate currency for a reason, SE didn't want to tie them to FATES - remember those things people said they were sick of grinding. Currently the hunts are broke and the way to 'fix' them isn't to stop doing them. SE will get round to fixing them. Be patient.

[Ultimatecalibur]

This isn't an issue with seals but rather there need to be seal dumps for a want of a better word. I finished doing my ATMA chain and managed to accumulated a lot of seals. I dumped them mainly in ventures. there needs to be more seal dumps. Maybe crafting mats. Just a suggestion but stuff like that.

You can buy the former Philosophy crafting mats (which also drop in the 2.2 and 2.3 HM Dungeons) with GC Seals, but that doesn't change the fact that if I really wanted to get GC seals farming the Mor Dhona Grand Company Leve quests would be the fastest method to gaining them if I wanted to spend them on something. The GC seals from fates are nice, but not a real reason to do them post 50.

Hell, hell no. It doesn't matter the conversion ratio. Hunts were given a separate currency for a reason, SE didn't want to tie them to FATES - remember those things people said they were sick of grinding. Currently the hunts are broke and the way to 'fix' them isn't to stop doing them. SE will get round to fixing them. Be patient.

Most of the players that are "sick of grinding" Fates are saying so because Atma drops are Lottery drops and some players who started grinding fates at the beginning of 2.2 still have not won their 12 Lotteries. Many of those same players were also saying that they were "sick of grinding" BrayfloxHM for Myth tomes, does that mean no more dungeons should be created? No it means that you need to either add another source of the sought after reward or a comparable alternative.

Allied Seals were created (and their rewards chosen) to give players a reason to collect them and do the content (Hunts) that reward them. The problem comes in that so many players are trying to do the content that rewards them. Adding the Fates that I listed to the amount of content that rewards Allied Seals and you will see a lightening of the load on the Hunts.