Who is gonna raid now with the iLvl 110 gear handed to people??

[Chocolate_Rain]

Who's getting all these sands? Believe me, most of the people who have gotten over 1 sand since this started are people who are in very successful hunt linkshells or very successful fc's. Almost all of these people are already high end raiders. They're occasionally bringing some friends and family along, but at the moment, the current system as actually ANTI casual. Successful hunt ls's are very hard to get into(on my server, most are asking +100k gil to get into, and they kick you once you log off).


Given the fact that it's the middle of summer, raiding seems to be on an uptick(for those who don't know, all types of organized activity on mmo's tend to downtick during summer, due to people having vacations or not being inside as much, enjoying the outdoors, etc.) And believe me, if raiding pops were to decline, it has more to do with the linear progression model in this game paired with mediocre fight design by developers creating a growing playerbase that are simply stuck(by lack of skill, internet connection, etc).

The idea of highest ilvl gear being thrown at the playerbase is a great talking point. It's current execution, however, counters it.

[NoRyoKu]

First of all thx for all your replies, I just now had time to read all your posts

I think everybody got my point pretty well and there are people who agree and disagree, to clarify things, my wholse point was to give SCoB an incentive to be done! Only a weapon is not enough

In fact, my point was that there is people who will never ever do raid content, there is players like this and it's fine, no problem. Catching up patch is absolutly fine and SE should stick to it.

My point was that there is no real incentive to do end game content in those patches, so majority will gear up with sand and oil, be 110 and wait for 2.4. But this could have easily been avoided by making end-raid content unique. Hell, just make latest end game content the only place to obtain gear that may be 5 iLvl higher than everything else. It would have solve the problem if High allagan gear was all the way iLvl 115. This would have been an incentive to do this content. The carrot would have been unique. Casual would be 110 and be super fine with it, raiders would have been 115 and have their reward and be super fine with it. Players that are between the line between raiding and not raiding may have had the incentive to do SCoB and this is my WHOLE point.
This wasnt about BiS, vanity, entitlement or everything else, it was that with less effort, you have pretty much same reward and that I just want more people doing this content so we could have fun together

I think that making end game reward only 5 iLvl more would do the job

What do you think?

[Grizzlebeard]

The irony and hypocrisy of that statement. I mean if you guys are in it for the fun and if numbers are so irrelevent to you, why are you so against removing Sands from the Hunt ?

Why are you so against letting them remain? You play the game, raiding or otherwise, for fun right? Should it matter the path people take to acquire the same gear? I mean, it has nothing to do with e-peen and all to do with gearing up for the next tier of content right?

[Nekodar]

But he's not. He's capping the echo at 20%.

Capping echo at 20% does not exclude a mechanics nerf.
In fact, in recent interviews he's been open to nerfing Twintania.

[Zaiken]

Who care anyway, by 3 more Months there will be another new Binding Coil and the i110 become irrelevant and no more lockout on previous coil. MMORPG is a progression, BiS Gear will get replace by new one when Contents get old and new content come out.

Also Sand will be added in Syrcus Tower after a couple of Month, will you cry about that too?

[Nabian]

Capping echo at 20% does not exclude a mechanics nerf.
In fact, in recent interviews he's been open to nerfing Twintania.

20% plus outgearing the fight by 20-30 ilvls isn't enough? The two mechanics that most often kill people are divebombs and twisters. In both cases its not a matter of having instantaneous reflexes but more about paying attention. People who haven't cleared T5 imo are either not trying hard enough or just lazy. Alot of players expect that they should be getting the win after a few tries. I know many statics that struggled on T5 for 2-3 months 2 hours a night ever night before they finally got their clear. Now that the echo is in place and all the extra gear it has trivialized most of the mechanics of that fight. It's easy enough now that if your work at it hard enough you will get your clear. They don't need to nerf the mechanics any more.

[Dwill]

Why are you so against letting them remain? You play the game, raiding or otherwise, for fun right? Should it matter the path people take to acquire the same gear? I mean, it has nothing to do with e-peen and all to do with gearing up for the next tier of content right?

Try again.

Who care anyway, by 3 more Months there will be another new Binding Coil and the i110 become irrelevant and no more lockout on previous coil. MMORPG is aprogression, BiS Gear will get replace by new one when Contents get old and new content come out.

Also Sand will be added in Syrcus Tower after a couple of Month, will you cry about that too?

The excuse of gearing up for new content is pathetic at best (in my opinion). Most people using it are so behind on actual content where gear is relevant to begin with and since history tends to repeat itself, most people won't do the gear relevant content in 2.4 (minus the new dungeons, which you really won't need i110 for) as well but still ask for gear handout in 2.5. These peoples tend to clear said content not because of gear but because of the ridiculous nerfs that tends to follow these encounters in the months that follows. If you guys want a feel of progression, just ask for more nerfs on previous tier of contents so you can complete before asking gear for the next brick wall you're going to go throw yourself at.

[Staris]

I was i110 well before they released hunts.... So I should stop running coil in your theory here?
Its just for more casual/new players to catch up, people to get offspec in spare time ect, and for that its fine.

[hyperhelios]

They are going to massively nerf all those turns though, so you don't get to watch them fail. SCoB:T4 might be easier than Twin though (post nerf).

I haven't heard of them nerfing any of the game's mechanics since twisters after the first kill. If they were nerfing, then I would assume they would have already nerfed the first binding.

[Nekodar]

I haven't heard of them nerfing any of the game's mechanics since twisters after the first kill. If they were nerfing, then I would assume they would have already nerfed the first binding.

I guess you haven't been to AK at all since then, or read any patch notes, as the gnats were removed from Demon Wall. That's just one example of a mechanics nerf that happened to the GAME since that twisters nerf. Another example would be the nerf that happened to Pharos Sirius...
You also probably don't pay attention to various interviews, as it's been noted that a nerf is likely for Twintania.

If we're talking strictly coil nerfs, ADS High Voltage can now be Esuna/Leeches removed and it's not as potent as before, as one example...