Who is gonna raid now with the iLvl 110 gear handed to people??

[cryptic_angel]

Trivialize it all you want, but people do care about that.

In addition to my previous reasons I want to add that we do it for the challenge. It's fun because it's difficult.

So, Heroic raiders in wow should only be able to do 10% more dps than a person that does not ever step foot into a raid? That is fair to you?

[Tiggy]

So, Heroic raiders in wow should only be able to do 10% more dps than a person that grinds dungeons all day? That is fair to you?

People will do it. Get over it.

In 2.0 Myth and Coil gear were the same ilvl, and a ton of people still did coil regardless. You fears are completely unfounded, or founded only in that you want better loots so you can lorde it over other people. Get over it.

[cryptic_angel]

People will do it. Get over it.

In 2.0 Myth and Coil gear were the same ilvl, and a ton of people still did coil regardless. You fears are completely unfounded, or founded only in that you want better loots so you can lorde it over other people. Get over it.

Way to avoid the question. Do you think it is fair for WoW heroic raiders to only perform 10% than people who do LFR?

I think any reasonable person would say no. But the entitlement culture grows strong in MMO's.

[Illya]

Way to avoid the question. Do you think it is fair for WoW heroic raiders to only perform 10% than people who do LFR?

I think any reasonable person would say no. But the entitlement culture grows strong in MMO's.

No one here cares about what WoW does. But since you know so much about WoW you know how many players in WoW actually raid. It's a small percentage of the population, despite the very structured tiering of raid rewards. The fact is only a small number of MMO players are in it for the e-peen like you. Most MMO players play MMOs for other reasons. If you love the WoW raid tiering system so much, go play WoW. No one here will miss you.

[Exstal]

No one here cares about what WoW does. But since you know so much about WoW you know how many players in WoW actually raid. It's a small percentage of the population, despite the very structured tiering of raid rewards. The fact is only a small number of MMO players are in it for the e-peen like you. Most MMO players play MMOs for other reasons. If you love the WoW raid tiering system so much, go play WoW. No one here will miss you.

It's called an example.

[cryptic_angel]

No one here cares about what WoW does. But since you know so much about WoW you know how many players in WoW actually raid. It's a small percentage of the population, despite the very structured tiering of raid rewards. The fact is only a small number of MMO players are in it for the e-peen like you. Most MMO players play MMOs for other reasons. If you love the WoW raid tiering system so much, go play WoW. No one here will miss you.

It was an example. If I obviously cared so much about wow, I would be playing that game.

But dodge the question, it's a simple yes or no answer. Do you think it is fair for WoW heroic raiders to only perform 10% than people who do LFR? Is it really fair the more dedicated players who invested much more than the average player only have a 10% performance boost to show for it be the only lasting reward?

There is some real mental gymnastics in this thread protecting such strong entitlement. I wish people like you were in charge of the world, I could go pick up my free BMW just for venturing outside of my house.

[Zarzak]

It was an example. If I obviously cared so much about wow, I would be playing that game.

But dodge the question, it's a simple yes or no answer. Do you think it is fair for WoW heroic raiders to only perform 10% than people who do LFR? Is it really fair the more dedicated players who invested much more than the average player only have a 10% performance boost to show for it be the only lasting reward?

There is some real mental gymnastics in this thread protecting such strong entitlement. I wish people like you were in charge of the world, I could go pick up my free BMW just for venturing outside of my house.

THE HELL!?!?!?!?! I HAVE TO VENTURE OUTSIDE MY HOUSE FOR MY BMW!!?!?!?!?!?!?


I DEMAND IT BE PUT IN MY GARAGE FOR ME BECAUSE I WOKE UP TODAY!!!!


/sarcasm off

Yes please entitled generation take over the country and give me my paycheck for doing absolutely nothing but showing up.



Funny how it's a surprise these days when you suggest something like "the more effort you put in the more you get back"

[Tiggy]

Way to avoid the question. Do you think it is fair for WoW heroic raiders to only perform 10% than people who do LFR?

I think any reasonable person would say no. But the entitlement culture grows strong in MMO's.

Yes, it's fair. Only those entitled feel like they deserve more. It's not that big of a deal. Like I said. Get over it.

For the record I do raid. I'm currently practicing T9 with my static. I don't care if my friends with less time get i110. I'll have better gear in the end that looks far more badass than the soldiery gear, I will have had a great experience playing with my friends, I will have experienced a part of the story before most of the player base, I will have had fun tackling a challenging encounter and coming out on top. It's not all about having a bigger number.

You seem to think entitlement only goes one way. Players feel entitled to get easy good gear seems to be your opinion.
I'm here to inform you it swings both ways. You clearly feel entitled to better gear than others.

The entitlement is strong in this one.

[cryptic_angel]

Yes, it's fair. Only those entitled feel like they deserve more. It's not that big of a deal. Like I said. Get over it.

lol, I would love to work with you, where ever it is that you're employed, if you're even employed at all. I will sit on my hands all day and you can do the work, as long as we both get the same paycheck at the end of the day. Oh, and since I am a good sport, I will give you 10% of my pay, just so you can feel properly rewarded.

To obtain Best in Slot, one needs only run Second Coil and those whom consider themselves raiders have done so for well over three months now. Those not raiding second coil are now gearing up in another method but will ~NOT~ have best in slot gear. They can then use their current upgraded gear IF THEY SO CHOOSE to run Second Coil and obtain best in slot before 2.4.

You greatly over estimate the benefits of BiS. It's on par with a 10% performance boost in most cases.

You seem to think entitlement only goes one way. Players feel entitled to get easy good gear seems to be your opinion.
I'm here to inform you it swings both ways. You clearly feel entitled to better gear than others.

The entitlement is strong in this one.

Yes I feel entitled, I can admit that. Unlike some of the non-raiders here.

I feel entitled because I spend millions of gil on food and pots for cutting edge progression.

I feel entitled because I show up to my raid nights many weeks and don't get any loot despite having seen the content over and over again.

I feel entitled because of all the practice, time, and effort I put into learning these fights.

Yes, I am entitled. Its different from a casual player's sense of entitlement which is "I want what they have for less effort because I pay the same sub fee."

[Tiggy]

lol, I would love to work with you, where ever it is that you're employed, if you're even employed at all. I will sit on my hands all day and you can do the work, as long as we both get the same paycheck at the end of the day. Oh, and since I am a good sport, I will give you 10% of my pay, just so you can feel properly rewarded.

You seem to think those players aren't doing anything at all. Did you completely forget they have to first farm solidery for weeks on end to get i100 gear? Then did you also forget they have to farm the living crap out of hunts to get 7 sands? That's 5250 Allied Seals. That will take many week/months for a casual player. This coming from people who aren't hardcore players running coil after all. They arent so dedicated to blowing out all 7 in one week of constant hunts. You seem to think this gear practically falls into their lap and that couldn't be further from the truth. They aren't sitting around and doing nothing. They are earning it too. Just not the same way you are.

Your analogy is a failed attempt to disparage and insult me and it doesn't even take into account what's actually happening. It's time to grow up. It's time to get over it.