Who is gonna raid now with the iLvl 110 gear handed to people??

[Malzian]

I'll raid. I want to raid. I haven't done it yet since I haven't found a group of people I'd want to do it with. For some it's about the thrill of completing it, the rewards are a bonus. Either way though... Running with people I can't have fun with isn't worth it to me. My opinion, others may differ.

[Zarzak]

Actually, the OP is right, it will cause people to start doing coil less, just like Myth gear did to First Coil.

Not "will". "already has". Know plenty of people who lost motivation to raid soon as they announced they were once again throwing raid gear into solo content. No reason to spend hours progressing to get alt loot because you already got raid loot from doing hunts for a week.

As much as I care about raiding too, I think this game is set on shooting itself in the foot when it comes to developing a great end game for high end gamers. I am sure I am not the only one to notice that less and less people are doing dungeon guides and streams of FF14.

Casuals cry more. Thus they win and raid loot becomes group loot. Only raid loot in the game is a weapon.

[Risvertasashi]

Actually, the OP is right, it will cause people to start doing coil less, just like Myth gear did to First Coil.

Is this really a bad thing? They'll be i110, but won't be all BiS. So there's some benefit. But if they would rather not raid... why try to force it?

[ispano]

Let me ask you this, back then when the best gear is i90 (both myth and allagan) .... did that stop people from raiding?

Yeah, it stopped people from doing Coil.

Is this really a bad thing? They'll be i110, but won't be all BiS. So there's some benefit. But if they would rather not raid... why try to force it?

BiS is very minimally better. Maybe 5% at best. Also, people not doing the content SE designed is a bad thing for the game and SE.

[Evangela]

then they need to nerf BCoB T5 first, in order to let more ppl enter SCoB.

endgame content in general is too hard for 90% of the players. don't use yourself and your FC friends as a standard. I think it's very dumb to create new content that only 5-10% of the playerbase can do. ok let's make half of the content super hard to make 10% of the players keep subscribing and screw the other 90% who can't enjoy these content because they're bad players!! I don't think it's gonna work in the long-term. so having optional i110 gears for casuals is the right thing to do.

[Cyrus-Wallace]

Is this really a bad thing? They'll be i110, but won't be all BiS. So there's some benefit. But if they would rather not raid... why try to force it?

As a BiS kind of player, I agree with this. Also, it will open the gates for the next end-game content. I don't care if people are decked out in sold ilvl 110 armor. There's no merit on it. The Coil gear for raiders are pretty much the reward for doing such content. Personal note: It also look waaaaay better than the sold gear. =P Not to mention the ilvl 115 weapons...

[JTribal]

then they need to nerf BCoB T5 first, in order to let more ppl enter SCoB.

endgame content in general is too hard for 90% of the players. don't use yourself and your FC friends as a standard. I think it's very dumb to create new content that only 5-10% of the playerbase can do. ok let's make half of the content super hard to make 10% of the players keep subscribing and screw the other 90% who can't enjoy these content because they're bad players!! I don't think it's gonna work in the long-term. so having optional i110 gears for casuals is the right thing to do.

Evangela, do you need a T5 clear? Serious question, I love running T5 and we are on the same server xD

[Jakeson]

I'm excited because it might make T6 and maybe T7 puggable. I know statics can do it at i90 but pugging at i100 or i105 will just make it easier on the tanks and healers and make things a bit more forgiving. I remember when i90 was max and I could find a pug group for T1 and T2, sometimes T4...that's all I really want for T6 and T7.

[Fendred]

Who cares? Anything dropped from Second Coil of Bahamut will be acquired more easily once patch 2.4 comes out and on top of that all of coil's gear will be outdated when the first expansion comes out.

I'm more concerned with how Yoshi's direction with the game is making everything increasingly drawn out and less satisfying as a whole. Its almost one step forward and two steps back with each patch.

[ClaireAbigail]

Well sorry op, some of us casuals have real life responsibilities that prevents us from raiding consecutively. I work 7am-8:45pm and I get home at around 10pm. I also work Saturdays. Hunts is pretty much the only way for me to get 110 gears and at least be ready for whatever next content SE will throw.
And you know how SE works. They will start throwing out the gears once the new better toys are on the way. I'll choose to ignore what you said about hoping everything will be locked unless you've beaten the second coil. I have better things to do than argue about that.