Returning SMN having some questions about the gear.

[Havenchild]

Weapon: High Allagan Grimoire / Book of Spades
Head: High Allagan Mask of Casting w/ Evenstar Bootees or Eventar Hat w/ High Allag
Body: Evenstar Coat
Hand: Evenstar Gloves
Waist: Evenstar Sash
Legs: Evenstar Tights
Boots: High Allagan Boots of Casting w/ Evenstar Hat or Evenstar w/ High Allagan Mask
Neck: High Allagan Choker of Casting
Ear: High Allagan Choker of Casting
Wrist: Evenstar Armillae
Ring: Evenstar Ring
Ring: High Allagan Ring of Casting

Accuracy for Coils t6-t9:

t6 471
t7 481
t8 491
t9 491

First and for most this is not a summoners BIS set.

The truth of the matter is, after you hit the over 500 crit threshold, Det > Crit.
However I recommend always trying to be over 520 Crit whenever possible.

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/N56R

This is the true BIS set. The belt would be the ONLY item you should swap out (if your feeling luckier with crits). You can hit T9 99-100% with 483 acc. Personally for me, Garuda may have missed once in like 6 weeks of T9 runs. The difference is pretty much negligible. The difference between the belts will ultimately be 1% Crit rate/ 1% ACC vs 13 Det/13 SS.

Please stop making full Int builds and calling it BIS for Summoners. It's completely misleading and untrue. There is absolutely no full INT build that is actually BIS on SMN after patch 2.3. You will get out damaged by countless other summoners who don't do full INT builds.

What about the Syrcus tower, which item should I get first ? Not the chest 'cause I'll buy the Evenstar one.

I would honestly recommend the Belt, if you don't immediately need the accuracy. Otherwise its a toss up between the Gloves, Boots and Belt as the most beneficial, depending of course on how much crit you have.

[Zamii]

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there are a lot of people that have proven that getting the highest possible int is the highest dps possible, however, that only applies if your not going over or under accuracy cap, if your lowering accuracy and a small amount of int (10 ilvl difference max) but not going under cap, then you will increase dps by a small margin, the same applies in reverse when increasing your int.

the part about how your garuda only missed once or twice, doubtful, you only noticed it once or twice, more likely. also i did some fairly deep theory crafting about a month ago on accuracy vs crit hit rate and det, and accuracy won out, granted it wasn't a very large margin. i dont want to fill up this thread with off topic info about it so go to the original thread if you want to read about it.

anyway, the main reason most summoners prefer determination post patch 2.2 is because thats just how the itemisation handed it to us to avoid spell speed, bard gear is exactly the same, not many are super happy about it but we work with what we have.

[Havenchild]

there are a lot of people that have proven that getting the highest possible int is the highest dps possible, however, that only applies if your not going over or under accuracy cap, if your lowering accuracy and a small amount of int (10 ilvl difference max) but not going under cap, then you will increase dps by a small margin, the same applies in reverse when increasing your int.

the part about how your garuda only missed once or twice, doubtful, you only noticed it once or twice, more likely. also i did some fairly deep theory crafting about a month ago on accuracy vs crit hit rate and det, and accuracy won out, granted it wasn't a very large margin. i dont want to fill up this thread with off topic info about it so go to the original thread if you want to read about it.

anyway, the main reason most summoners prefer determination post patch 2.2 is because thats just how the itemisation handed it to us to avoid spell speed, bard gear is exactly the same, not many are super happy about it but we work with what we have.

DET has pure sustained numbers, where CRT is RNG based. CRT will always be RNG based and the amount that makes them "more reliable" is over 520 crit. DET however will almost always beat that out over an entire fight post 500 crit. In terms of Determination, 3.45 ish percent is equal to about 1 INT for summoners. If you are literally insisting that, 2 INT (his build) is gonna give you more damage then 35 DETERMINATION(my build) would, I seriously know you have no understanding of this class.

DET is a very powerful stat for Summoners, stronger then Crit not because of *gear circumstances*, but because of the dynamic impact it has on your DoTs which ultimately spikes your damage alot more then crit weights from RNG.

In comparison, I am the highest DPS, on majority of the phases in T9, capping first phase pre Golems as high as 420 DPS with my current build. You will never hit numbers like that with any of these max INT SMN builds on the forums.

the part about how your garuda only missed once or twice, doubtful, you only noticed it once or twice, more likely. also i did some fairly deep theory crafting about a month ago on accuracy vs crit hit rate and det, and accuracy won out, granted it wasn't a very large margin. i dont want to fill up this thread with off topic info about it so go to the original thread if you want to read about it.

Looking at your thread, the ACC is definitely 99.7% to 100% so we agree on this and no my runs are not just about "what i've noticed", I check all of my runs and I rarely but if ever miss on T9, the entire fight. Don't follow the crowd with 491 as a base. That's not actually the most beneficial to you. However, I will say the belts are in fact, interchangeable. If you feel your not getting as many crits, hop over to evenstar, if your critting alot stay with the DET from HA belt. If your a stiffler for .3% ACC then you can still use Evenstar and still do more damage then the build that was posted as the "BIS".

[Zamii]

Looking at your thread, the ACC is definitely 99 to 100% so we agree on this, how you compare, no my runs are not just about "what i've noticed", I check all of my runs and I rarely but if ever miss on T9, the entire fight. Don't follow the crowd with 491 as a base. That's not actually the most beneficial to you. However, I will say the belts are in fact, interchangeable. If you feel your not getting as many crits, hop over to evenstar, if your critting alot stay with the DET from HA belt.

actually that thread was intended for people to see the benefit of going below the 491 base accuracy, im still pro-crit build for smn, not part of the "most people" i mentioned earlier.
that said, im going to stop this here before i rip my hair out trying to explain to you how accuracy affects your overall damage, even just from garuda, and why you shouldn't base your gear on feelings.

[Havenchild]

actually that thread was intended for people to see the benefit of going below the 491 base accuracy, im still pro-crit build for smn, not part of the "most people" i mentioned earlier.
that said, im going to stop this here before i rip my hair out trying to explain to you how accuracy affects your overall damage, even just from garuda, and why you shouldn't base your gear on feelings.

ACC is important of course even for Garuda, but 99.7% chance on Garuda is more or less unmeasurable overall because when you do miss, its quite literally "one in a million". The benefits of going slightly under the ACC cap but staying above 99%, outway the negatives when you compare the amount of DET, you can gain from it post patch 2.3. It's not about feelings. Several people parsering me are using ACT, FFXIV, LogRep, all clearly showing Garuda pretty much never misses, cept and ONLY on the last phase, and rarely even then. The only time Garuda has a chance of missing in general with 483 ACC is usually when you stack for the Thermionic Beam on the last phase. If the boss is directly facing Garuda, then that is when that .03-.05% chance of missing will be reflected.

This thread became a dick measuring contest real quick. So in fairness of just flopping mine out there let me say I've beaten coils more than you BOOM SHABAM my dick is huge.

As often as its misinterpreted, posting the DPS was not my intention of "e-peen". The truth is however in the numbers. Whether you beat it more times then me, is moot. I am able to pull bigger numbers with my current build then I have ever been able to pull using the max INT builds on these forums.

In your own build you have 417 SS. Any Summoner worth there salt understands SS is the most useless stat you can ever have. You should be using Ruin 2 many times to maximize your DPS. Every Ruin 2 or Bio you cast pretty much negates any SS you have. You literally only take SS, if your forced to do so because its stacked with another beneficial stat. EX: High Allagan Book, High Allagan Belt.

[Dwill]

DET has pure sustained numbers, where CRT is RNG based. CRT will always be RNG based and the amount that makes them "more reliable" is over 520 crit. DET however will almost always beat that out over an entire fight post 500 crit. In terms of Determination, 3.45 ish percent is equal to about 1 INT for summoners. If you are literally insisting that, 2 INT (his build) is gonna give you more damage then 35 DETERMINATION(my build) would, I seriously know you have no understanding of this class.

DET is a very powerful stat for Summoners, stronger then Crit not because of *gear circumstances*, but because of the dynamic impact it has on your DoTs which ultimately spikes your damage alot more then crit weights from RNG.

In comparison, I am the highest DPS, on majority of the phases in T9, capping first phase pre Golems as high as 420 DPS with my current build. You will never hit numbers like that with any of these max INT SMN builds on the forums.



Looking at your thread, the ACC is definitely 99.7% to 100% so we agree on this and no my runs are not just about "what i've noticed", I check all of my runs and I rarely but if ever miss on T9, the entire fight. Don't follow the crowd with 491 as a base. That's not actually the most beneficial to you. However, I will say the belts are in fact, interchangeable. If you feel your not getting as many crits, hop over to evenstar, if your critting alot stay with the DET from HA belt. If your a stiffler for .3% ACC then you can still use Evenstar and still do more damage then the build that was posted as the "BIS".

Actually, with your accuracy at 483 it's 98.2% hit chance and DET actually is not better than CRT even past 500 since DET doesn't scale with INT and since 2.2 introduce a huge increase of primary stats, it lost some appeal toward CRT. DET is also not valued that high, it is a ~0,17 value toward INT which means you need close to 6 DET to 1 Int.

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/N5KP

is the actual BiS. Giving away nearly 2% accuracy and some CRT is not worth for the meager amount DET that you gain, DET that isn't valued as high since it has the possibility of missing.