Tanks are so mainstream. (Ramuh extreme done without tanks)

[Poringing]

Why are we still discussing this?

They fixed it. The people who made the fight did not want us playing this way. That is all.

It is not a bug abuse or exploit or anything. It is basically players out-smarting the game mechanics made by the game makers.

The previous time this happened was turn 2 of BCoB. Why the fix this time?

Very simple. 2 different people with 2 different train of thoughts. I'm very sure the guy who made turn 2 is not the same person as the one who made Ramuh EX. Somewhere in SE offices, these conversations or its variant happened:

(Many months ago)
"Hey, guy who made turn 2, are who okay with people using enrage method?"
"Wow, you can do that?!"
"Totally." (Shows youtube link) "Are you going to change it?"
"Nah. I like to see players out-smarting me."

(3 days ago)
"Hey, guy who made Ramuh EX, are who okay with people tanking with Titan-egi?"
"What do you mean?"
(Shows youtube link)
"They absolutely cannot do that. That is unacceptable. They are wrecking how I envisioned the fight."
"Okay, we will call the programming team to work overtime then."
(Phone call: Fuuu---)

[ZanzhizExaverion]

The previous time this happened was turn 2 of BCoB. Why the fix this time?

Very simple. 2 different people with 2 different train of thoughts. I'm very sure the guy who made turn 2 is not the same person as the one who made Ramuh EX. Somewhere in SE offices, these conversations or its variant happened:

(Many months ago)
"Hey, guy who made turn 2, are who okay with people using enrage method?"
"Wow, you can do that?!"
"Totally." (Shows youtube link) "Are you going to change it?"
"Nah. I like to see players out-smarting me."

(3 days ago)
"Hey, guy who made Ramuh EX, are who okay with people tanking with Titan-egi?"
"What do you mean?"
(Shows youtube link)
"They absolutely cannot do that. That is unacceptable. They are wrecking how I envisioned the fight."
"Okay, we will call the programming team to work overtime then."
(Phone call: Fuuu---)

It's more:
(Many months ago)
"Hey, guy who made turn 2, are who okay with people using enrage method?"
"Wow, you can do that?!"
"Totally." (Shows youtube link) "Are you going to change it?"
"Nah. I like to see players out-smarting me."

(3 Days ago)
"Hey, guy who made Ramuh EX, are who okay with people tanking with Titan-egi?"
"What do you mean?"
(Shows youtube link)
"This makes absolutely no sense. Ramuh has a one-shot mechanic for a reason and this is unacceptable. There must be a big with Ramuh's damage versus pets."
"Okay, we will call the programming team to work overtime then."
(Phone call: Nice work guys.)

[Dwill]

There must be a big with Ramuh's damage versus pets."

There was no bug. AoE damage = reduced, Ramuh EX does AoE damage. Therefore, damage was reduced. Now they just made it that said damage bypass the mechanic. There was no bug or exploit or anything of the sort and how people don't grasp this is beyond understanding.

*Correction: an AoE that is suposed to kill you in 1 hit unless you follow the INTENDED game mechanics.

1 shot via damage, not set hp to 0.Damage gets reduced due to being AoE. Mechanics themselves were working as intended, whether it was a foresight by Square-Enix to but this is an AoE or not get pet damage reduction is another debate but it's clear than no one abuse things they weren't supposed to with pets not getting 1-shotted.

[ZanzhizExaverion]

@Dwill

Because the intended mechanic is a one-shot-one-kill mechanic. Would you have been okay with this is they just made it single target so it killed Titan anyway? It's the same damn thing.

[Dwill]

@Dwill

Because the intended mechanic is a one-shot-one-kill mechanic. Would you have been okay with this is they just made it single target so it killed Titan anyway? It's the same damn thing.

Set HP to 0 is different than AoE damage. Want to make sure everyone and everything dies from the mechanics if not done correctly, set their HP to 0 instantly or make the AoE damage so high the pet will still die via the reduction. Simple enough.

[Kardayel]

@Dwill

Because the intended mechanic is a one-shot-one-kill mechanic. Would you have been okay with this is they just made it single target so it killed Titan anyway? It's the same damn thing.

Ok, i'll try to be clear on my point.
I can understand they don't want us to kill Ramuh that way (after all, who want play a game as they want when they can play it as the developers want... but it's not the debate here).
My problem is, they present it like a "bug", it means: people using it were cheating.
They should have said they change the mechanic of the fight, which mean: ok, good job, you've outsmarted us. We don't want you to kill it that way so we change the fight.

This is my real problem.

[ZanzhizExaverion]

Stating that is was a bug doesn't imply Square thinks they were abusing it, stating it was a bug can be used in many ways. Developers like using the term "bug" to get around backlash on games such as League of Legends, nerfing a character and calling it a bug to make it seem more fair.

"Bug" can also mean they didn't take this into account in the first place, because they assumed if the skill did 17,000 damage, nothing would survive it. The fact that Titan did was a miscalculation by the dev team and nothing else. They don't like to admit honest mistakes.

While I do think it was their own fault for leaving this out; they don't need to be berated for making you do the fight as intended. It excludes player-base, tanks.

[Kardayel]

It excludes player-base, tanks.

Honestly, i tryed the fight both ways, and while hte Titan strat made the add dps check easier, the safe zone of the fight is so little that it was overcrowded with DPS which tend to give problem when it came to reading what happened. For me the tank strat was in a sense "safer" cause all your hope are not on a single SMN in the middle of thunder hell... But the titan tank would probably have become a Big Carry Technic and it would have benn sad to see a clever idea becoming this. Better to see it go like this.

[Edeline]

There was no bug. AoE damage = reduced, Ramuh EX does AoE damage. Therefore, damage was reduced. Now they just made it that said damage bypass the mechanic. There was no bug or exploit or anything of the sort and how people don't grasp this is beyond understanding.



1 shot via damage, not set hp to 0.Damage gets reduced due to being AoE. Mechanics themselves were working as intended, whether it was a foresight by Square-Enix to but this is an AoE or not get pet damage reduction is another debate but it's clear than no one abuse things they weren't supposed to with pets not getting 1-shotted.

So is T8 enrage, 30k damage. It's also damage based but is set to be high enough to make sure someone dies.

[Dwill]

So is T8 enrage, 30k damage. It's also damage based but is set to be high enough to make sure someone dies.

Your point ? The pet despawning in T8 is the summoner dying, not the pet's HP getting reduce to 0.