Tanks are so mainstream. (Ramuh extreme done without tanks)

[Dwill]

Rejoice! For the expliot has been righteously terminated.

I think it's kind of hilarious that most people don't even seem to have a clue about what an exploit actually is. Here it like you'd explain a 5 years old:

Titan gets less damage done with AoE, as intended by the designers. Ramuh everything does is AoE. Therefore, Titan takes less damage from Ramuh! Working as intended.

Now the fix:

Damage Titan takes is too low because Ramuh's attack are AoE. Make them bypass reduction. Titan dies! Working as intended as well.

Now for the definition of an exploit:

"In video games, an exploit (colloquially sploit) is the use of a bug or glitches, game system, rates, hit boxes, or speed, etc. by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game's designers."

Now kids, is a pet taking reduced damage from AoE an exploit ?

You can say whatever you want, honestly, you are a summoner.
Your statement is lacking of credibility, but you wont admit it, because you are a summoner
It is an exploit, but you wont agree with it, because you are a summoner

You can say anything you want to release your anger, but you are a summoner, not S/E game designer.

I don't know which is sadder. The fact that people are liking your post which means that there are more people that thinks like you or the fact that one does not need to be a designer to make the difference between what is an what isn't an exploit. Since you seem unable to comprehend it, I described above just for people that might have difficulty in comprehending it

[Edeline]

It was not a bug exploit, it was using a flagrant flaw in the system

You just contradicted yourself there.

well, if you're basic system have a flaw, shame on you, you should have test it. The devs want people clear the game the way they decided we should do, so they changed the rules.

If their system has a flaw and players abuse it, shame on SE? Lol. Nobody's perfect, however, things can get fixed, especially if they're virtual. And this is why reporting bugs exists, so game developers can fix what's not intended to happen.
I would say shame on players for exploiting game flaws that aren't intended and claiming them as something normal.

[ZanzhizExaverion]

I'm sorry you all wanted to be carried by Titan-Egi.

The ability to completely disable a crucial mechanic in a fight is just ridiculous. I don't consider it an exploit, I consider it lack of a challenge.
Turn 2 was fine, because you're not abusing any sort of mechanic, you have to out heal the enrage, that's completely fair, plenty of groups failed, plenty can fail Titan-Tank too, the issue here is that it pushes the mechanics of the fight aside. If you need 3 stacks of Electroconductivity to survive his big attack, why doesn't Titan? That was my problem with it.


But to use Titan and alleviate the need for a mechanic designed specifically for the group to;
A: Manage # of Orbs abailable.
B: Tanks Manage stacks and swaps.

Makes the fight trivial and quite honestly, incredibly stupid. I've had a feeling of dread wanting to do Ramuh EX and learn this mechanic on my Paladin, because it's my main class. To be told "No, you have to go DPS, the fight is 100x easier this way." because a pet can tank it BETTER than me, is actually infuriating, and insulting.

All of you clowns want a challenge, well, here it is, Titan-Egi no longer works. Now go actually learn the fight instead of being a bunch of bums.

[Kardayel]

You just contradicted yourself there.

Nop, a bug is a "programation mistake"
Making a pet resisting AOE tank a mob who resist AOE is obvious. There was no programation mistake, it was just how the game WORKS. They just didn't think people will try to make the pet tank Ramuh. No bug here, no mistake here, they just forgot how their game works. to mak an analogy: you want nobody in a room, you close it with a door. The door can be open with something else than a key, your door have a conception problem (a bug). If you forget to built the 4th wall, you're just an idiot.

[Edeline]

Now kids, is a pet taking reduced damage from AoE an exploit ?

*Correction: an AoE that is suposed to kill you in 1 hit unless you follow the INTENDED game mechanics.

[Poringing]

Why are we still discussing this?

They fixed it. The people who made the fight did not want us playing this way. That is all.

It is not a bug abuse or exploit or anything. It is basically players out-smarting the game mechanics made by the game makers.

The previous time this happened was turn 2 of BCoB. Why the fix this time?

Very simple. 2 different people with 2 different train of thoughts. I'm very sure the guy who made turn 2 is not the same person as the one who made Ramuh EX. Somewhere in SE offices, these conversations or its variant happened:

(Many months ago)
"Hey, guy who made turn 2, are who okay with people using enrage method?"
"Wow, you can do that?!"
"Totally." (Shows youtube link) "Are you going to change it?"
"Nah. I like to see players out-smarting me."

(3 days ago)
"Hey, guy who made Ramuh EX, are who okay with people tanking with Titan-egi?"
"What do you mean?"
(Shows youtube link)
"They absolutely cannot do that. That is unacceptable. They are wrecking how I envisioned the fight."
"Okay, we will call the programming team to work overtime then."
(Phone call: Fuuu---)

[ZanzhizExaverion]

The previous time this happened was turn 2 of BCoB. Why the fix this time?

Very simple. 2 different people with 2 different train of thoughts. I'm very sure the guy who made turn 2 is not the same person as the one who made Ramuh EX. Somewhere in SE offices, these conversations or its variant happened:

(Many months ago)
"Hey, guy who made turn 2, are who okay with people using enrage method?"
"Wow, you can do that?!"
"Totally." (Shows youtube link) "Are you going to change it?"
"Nah. I like to see players out-smarting me."

(3 days ago)
"Hey, guy who made Ramuh EX, are who okay with people tanking with Titan-egi?"
"What do you mean?"
(Shows youtube link)
"They absolutely cannot do that. That is unacceptable. They are wrecking how I envisioned the fight."
"Okay, we will call the programming team to work overtime then."
(Phone call: Fuuu---)

It's more:
(Many months ago)
"Hey, guy who made turn 2, are who okay with people using enrage method?"
"Wow, you can do that?!"
"Totally." (Shows youtube link) "Are you going to change it?"
"Nah. I like to see players out-smarting me."

(3 Days ago)
"Hey, guy who made Ramuh EX, are who okay with people tanking with Titan-egi?"
"What do you mean?"
(Shows youtube link)
"This makes absolutely no sense. Ramuh has a one-shot mechanic for a reason and this is unacceptable. There must be a big with Ramuh's damage versus pets."
"Okay, we will call the programming team to work overtime then."
(Phone call: Nice work guys.)

[Kardayel]

(3 days ago)
"Hey, guy who made Ramuh EX, are who okay with people tanking with Titan-egi?"
"What do you mean?"
(Shows youtube link)
"They absolutely cannot do that. That is unacceptable. They are wrecking how I envisioned the fight."
"Okay, we will call the programming team to work overtime then."
(Phone call: Fuuu---)

It's probably the same guy that "fixed" the FFXI DRK "Souleater" Ability when Absolute Virtue begun to be zerged via Souleater and Kraken Club

[Dwill]

There must be a big with Ramuh's damage versus pets."

There was no bug. AoE damage = reduced, Ramuh EX does AoE damage. Therefore, damage was reduced. Now they just made it that said damage bypass the mechanic. There was no bug or exploit or anything of the sort and how people don't grasp this is beyond understanding.

*Correction: an AoE that is suposed to kill you in 1 hit unless you follow the INTENDED game mechanics.

1 shot via damage, not set hp to 0.Damage gets reduced due to being AoE. Mechanics themselves were working as intended, whether it was a foresight by Square-Enix to but this is an AoE or not get pet damage reduction is another debate but it's clear than no one abuse things they weren't supposed to with pets not getting 1-shotted.

[ZanzhizExaverion]

@Dwill

Because the intended mechanic is a one-shot-one-kill mechanic. Would you have been okay with this is they just made it single target so it killed Titan anyway? It's the same damn thing.