Tanks are so mainstream. (Ramuh extreme done without tanks)

[Brine_Gildchaff]

Sad fact is, we look like to be bound forever at playing the game how the developers (and mostly how the mainstream mentality of players want to see the game as it must be) in a specific way and not another.

If this were true they would not allow premade parties to deviate from 2/2/4 structure. If this were true it would not be permitted to use a solo-tank strat on Twintania (yes, it exists, I've been in a party or two that's employed it, though it didn't quite work out for various reasons). What happened here is a simple case of "Ramuh has no actual direct damage attacks, so Titan-egi can ignore 90% of all damage dealt by Ramuh". That's not the devs "making you play it a specific way", that's players bypassing several fight mechanics because the developers made an oversight. This is players discovering a way to entirely excise not one, but TWO entire classes from the Ramuh fight, and in doing so make it EASIER to clear. And this has happened less than a week after the implementation of the fight. You and I both know how this game is. If Square didn't patch this and FAST, it'd become just as hard to find a Ramuh EX party allowing tanks to join as it would be to find a party willing to try and deal with Allagan Rot hot potato.

I think the strat itself is cool and clever, but this should not and will not last, and you don't have a leg to stand on if you're going to claim that it's being shuttered and restrictive to not allow a strategy where the hardest non-Coil boss currently in the game can be tanked by an AI that takes 10% normal damage from EVERYTHING said boss does.

[BloodPact]

The one content where tanks didn't have the red carpet over every other role... Oh well, back to waiting for them on party finder.

[Merle]

Fixed... well.... time to come back to the boring script from devs... i guess they don't want us to have fun trying to do things differently

Well, it was fun while it lasted :3

[Brine_Gildchaff]

The one content where tanks didn't have the red carpet over every other role... Oh well, back to waiting for them on party finder.

I like how DPS and sometimes even healers are content to let us tanks take what is often the hardest and most stressful role, and the one that attracts the most flak from other players, without even thinking of deigning to do it themselves, and then moan about how we get an indirect reward for being the least populated role in the game. Fun fact: This attitude discourages players from tanking and serves only to drive up your own queue times.

Fixed... well.... time to come back to the boring script from devs... i guess they don't want us to have fun trying to do things differently

Well, it was fun while it lasted :3

As I said above, what exactly is "clever" or "thinking outside the box" about replacing the two people who normally handle the boss with an AI script that takes ~10% of the damage the tanks normally do? And which allows you to ignore the majority of the fight's mechanics? And in the process allowing you to bring in extra DPS players and effectively buff your damage output, in a DPS check fight, by >25%? What, in short, is "fun" about kicking out the most undeservedly maligned classes in the game so they cannot participate in a piece of content on their preferred class?

[jojober]

Even though it only lasted a short time, I hope all the tanks that got salty over this remember how it felt the next time they want an all ranged dps party or want to exclude some other job because the strategy is easier without them.

[Gardes]

Even though it only lasted a short time, I hope all the tanks that got salty over this remember how it felt the next time they want an all ranged dps party or want to exclude some other job because the strategy is easier without them.

Wait, you're blaming the tanks when a PF, that can be started by anyone other than tanks mind you, wants all ranged on ifrit/garuda ex because melees can clash with HEALERS in ifrit ex when taking down nails or because melees can get hit hard by the spins and put extra stress on HEALERS?

[Tupsi]

I'm disappointed that SE would see fit to remove "player ingenuity" from the game this quickly. This after they left Turn 2 Enrage in the game. Titan can tank every other Trial if your group puts their mind to it, why is Ramuh special?

They never fixed player ingenuity in FFXI - The issue here was though it was removing 2 people due to the fact it took advantage of how the pet ignores quite a bit of damage - It's not like in FFXI how for example instead of a Paladin tank for Kirin you used Dancer or Blue Mage, it's more like when people used Bard to tank Kirin due to taking advantage of the enmity produced by songs which SE then fixed or using RDM or BLM due to sleep enmity gain. If it wasn't a problem they wouldn't have fixed it.


And don't say "they fixed it due to complaining" - because people have been complaining about so much with this game that has yet to be fixed.

I find it kinda funny how Turn 2 enrage was far more effective and fight changing than Titan-egi yet they didn't change that. Weird.

Turn 2 enrage didn't remove people from the fight altogether - Also it's almost 1 year old content now.

[blackcitadel9]

I love that you did this (regardless of the changes now). I wanted to do an Ifrit HM way back when (I mean WAY BACK) with 6 SMN and 2 SCH for all the pets. But my server is apparently populated with people who don't want to do crazy things just to see if they can be done. Find more funny/creative/just plain cuckoo ways to clear content please. I like crazy strategies.

[jojober]

Wait, you're blaming the tanks when a PF, that can be started by anyone other than tanks mind you, wants all ranged on ifrit/garuda ex because melees can clash with HEALERS in ifrit ex when taking down nails or because melees can get hit hard by the spins and put extra stress on HEALERS?

I know anyone can create a PF, but because tanks are in such short demand, they are typically (not always) the ones to drop from a party they deem not ideal - it's easy enough for them to just find another one. So yes, I do want them to remember that it's no fun being excluded because it's easier without them.

[Sapphic]

I love that you did this (regardless of the changes now). I wanted to do an Ifrit HM way back when (I mean WAY BACK) with 6 SMN and 2 SCH for all the pets. But my server is apparently populated with people who don't want to do crazy things just to see if they can be done. Find more funny/creative/just plain cuckoo ways to clear content please. I like crazy strategies.

Done first coil with 1 WAR, 1 PLD, 4 MRDs 2xhealers. At the time was fastest t4 clear I had done XD