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  1. #131
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    Duuude007's Avatar
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    Duuude Bismarck
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    Quote Originally Posted by niwaar View Post
    I'm disappointed that SE would see fit to remove "player ingenuity" from the game this quickly. This after they left Turn 2 Enrage in the game. Titan can tank every other Trial if your group puts their mind to it, why is Ramuh special?
    Because in the other situations, it is still ideal to have at least one of each role (healer, dps, tank), and in this case it is compelling players to run without one.

    If you had put all of your time into mitigation gear, and were suddenly told you were unwelcome to do content, how would you react? Starting from scratch on a class you never intended to build up? Or simply not do the content?
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  2. #132
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    Rath Skybreaker
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nestama View Post
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    what I'm trying to say though, is by allowing titan to tank, it removed the hard part of the orb collecting mechanic which was delegating orbs to your tanks whilst removing the excess. It turns it into , hey, everyone, just pick these orbs up, who cares who does it, and then in the last phase when rolling thunder happens, it's still not bad, because instead of everyone picking balls up, now it's one person, which honestly, isn't hard either. Compare this to the original fight wherein you have two tanks constantly eating and you may have to hold on feeding for rolling thunder, and you have a difference in complexity comparable to Sastasha to Turn 1. Any group can pick up tons of balls, which was displayed when pugs immediately clung to this strategy as a godsend as it required very little communication outside of setting up a ballistic missile esque priority system, and turning it into a game of hungry hungry hippos.
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  3. #133
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pantz View Post
    So, SE has spoken.
    Yep, and the directo... devellopers said "The monster follow the script! You players have to follow it to!"
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  4. #134
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kardayel View Post
    Yep, and the directo... devellopers said "The monster follow the script! You players have to follow it to!"
    More like "Whoops, how did that bug get in!"
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  5. #135
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    Zumi Kasumi
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    Quote Originally Posted by niwaar View Post
    I'm disappointed that SE would see fit to remove "player ingenuity" from the game this quickly. This after they left Turn 2 Enrage in the game. Titan can tank every other Trial if your group puts their mind to it, why is Ramuh special?
    It was more like a mistake that Titan didn't take the 17k hits because he didn't have orbs.
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  6. #136
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    While I anticipated and frankly agree with Square's decision to remove this method, I do have to give kudos to the thread originators for coming up with something unique and cool, even if it was technically circumventing some of the intended mechanics. Tanking Ramuh with Titan-egi will hopefully be always remembered, as I feel it should be, as something that was fun while it lasted.
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  7. #137
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    Quote Originally Posted by SongJoohee View Post
    I find it kinda funny how Turn 2 enrage was far more effective and fight changing than Titan-egi yet they didn't change that. Weird.
    Enrage was discovered pretty late I think. My old static was already on T4 for a while when we heard of t2 enrage and we started with turn 1 months after ARR launch. This was done within 1 week of release. If this was 'discovered' near 2.4 release when shiva trials will be the cool thing to do, I wouldn't be surprised if they let it slide. It'd be like releasing a primal with echo available right from the start, instead of the next patch.
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  8. #138
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gardes View Post
    Enrage was discovered pretty late I think. My old static was already on T4 for a while when we heard of t2 enrage and we started with turn 1 months after ARR launch. This was done within 1 week of release. If this was 'discovered' near 2.4 release when shiva trials will be the cool thing to do, I wouldn't be surprised if they let it slide. It'd be like releasing a primal with echo available right from the start, instead of the next patch.
    You're right, T2 enrage was found out like, towards the end of the content cycle right before it was unlocked to pure farm status. At that point I feel like they probably thought, who cares, it's legitimately outdated at this point. The difference here is that Ramuh was released a week ago. lol.
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  9. #139
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    I must say, even if I'm a bit sad about SE decision on this one (and probably caused by haters that reported it as a bug, as always) I'm very proud of our team finding about this

    My Titan-Egi solo tanked an extreme primal like Ramuh and it got defeated for the very first ever !!! I will never forget it the pleasure as smn to do it was just incredible, for some days I was feeling back again the excitement you could get as smn just like you had in FFXI.

    Sad fact is, we look like to be bound forever at playing the game how the developers (and mostly how the mainstream mentality of players want to see the game as it must be) in a specific way and not another.

    That being said I will not give up on my researchs and tests about smn titan-egi tanking in the future And you can be sure that the results will be posted here for everyone !
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  10. #140
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    Jonasan Braveheart
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atomnium View Post
    I must say, even if I'm a bit sad about SE decision on this one (and probably caused by haters that reported it as a bug, as always) I'm very proud of our team finding about this
    I just want to keep your idea of SMN tanking in Ramuh EX but until SE fixed and I was saying like... Oh great I'm f**ked up with it and have to make new strategy for it... But I appreciated that you did share the good strategy to us. But yes unfournately for myself that I didn't won Ramuh EX fight...
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