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  1. #101
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    Nukocafe's Avatar
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    Yurika Huin
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    Gilgamesh
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    Fisher Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Ruinfeild View Post
    2.) It ignores many of the mechanics of the fight.
    It does not ignore many. It only ignores ONE mechanic. The mechanic of having tanks swap while they grab orbs to avoid being 1 shot by Ramuh.
    This is the ONLY mechanic it ignores.

    You still have to:
    1. Free people from the charm
    2. Make sure you don't overlap lightning circles with the ground AOEs or other people
    3. Make sure everyone grabs lightning orbs so his AOE doesn't 1 shot everyone
    4. Make sure people grab orbs to break tether
    5. Make sure while doing 1, 2 and 3 people also kill all the ads before he enrages.
    6. Make sure you don't get 1 shot by Ramuh's AOE while grabbing an orb that's near titan-egi
    7. Make sure if you're melee you don't get 1 shot by the water shock AOE while killing ads.

    So no this is not an exploit and it doesn't ignore many mechanics.
    Before everyone go crying exploit, please take a random party finder group and attempt to clear it without any voice programs and solely relying on the competence of your party members to do all the other 7 mechanics competently.
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  2. #102
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    Baneus Prime
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    Behemoth
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    Thaumaturge Lv 56
    Maintenance soon, want to bet this won't be possible afterwards?
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    Having an opinion does not make you right or wrong, it simply means you have an opinion. Don't get irritated when people don't agree.

  3. #103
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    Chrizirhc Vanih
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    Tonberry
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    Archer Lv 50
    I don't understand why people call this an exploit. Who says there's only one way to tackle a fight? This just shows how clever and creative the community can be. These people need to be given a credit instead of blaming them for exploiting.
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  4. #104
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    Kipp Kaida
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    Sargatanas
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    Conjurer Lv 70
    If you aren't having to deal with a specific mechanic that doesn't effect a tanking egi, it's broken. If the egi doesn't have to do what other tanks do, it's broken. I don't see how people don't realize that.
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  5. #105
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    Ariele Whitestar
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    Tonberry
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    Just thought I should share this thing I found in another forum.
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  6. #106
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    NyxNoughtNothing's Avatar
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    Keflex Khat
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    Malboro
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Pantz View Post
    Just thought I should share this thing I found in another forum.
    Rift, that game where people were banned for doing something slightly outside of the dev planned method? If that's your mindset then anything that doesn't follow a dev predetermined sequence to the letter is an exploit. In my opinion it's also an uncreative and boring way to go through life.

    i've played a couple other MMOs where the devs didn't provide a checklist and schedule that you had to follow exactly in order to clear raids or dungeons. In fact the devs didn't even tell the players how to clear most hard/raid content at all; they just presented the challenge and let the players work out their own strategies to beat it and later expressed surprise that the winning method wasn't what they originally expected the players to do to beat it. (In fact the dev team themselves hadn't managed to beat some of the raids when they were in beta.) Instead of punishing players for coming up with a different technique than what they envisioned the devs complimented the players on their creativity. i guess what i'm trying to say is that i find it hard to share your viewpoint since i like games where not following a rote script precisely to the letter is allowed. "Thinking is evil! The devs have done all the thinking for you in advance! Obey the script!"
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    Last edited by NyxNoughtNothing; 07-15-2014 at 02:33 PM. Reason: "than" not "that"

  7. #107
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    Velo'a Nharoz
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    Mateus
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    Scholar Lv 90
    The fact that they issued an Emergency Maintenance for "All Worlds" leads me to believe the devs have noticed this little "trick" and are going to correct it.

    Also, just for future reference for everyone
    When you bypass an intended mechanic that was designed to be dealt with directly by the player, it's an exploit, not creative thinking.
    Creative thinking/ come from finding unique/unconventional ways to actually deal with the intended mechanic and achieve the same outcome.

    Finding an exploit does take some ingenuity though, but that doesn't make it right.
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  8. #108
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    Ariele Whitestar
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    Tonberry
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    Quote Originally Posted by NyxNoughtNothing View Post
    Rift, that game where people were banned for doing something slightly outside of the dev planned method? If that's your mindset then anything that doesn't follow a dev predetermined sequence to the letter is an exploit. In my opinion it's also an uncreative and boring way to go through life.

    i've played a couple other MMOs where the devs didn't provide a checklist and schedule that you had to follow exactly in order to clear raids or dungeons. In fact the devs didn't even tell the players how to clear most hard/raid content at all; they just presented the challenge and let the players work out their own strategies to beat it and later expressed surprise that the winning method wasn't what they originally expected the players to do to beat it. (In fact the dev team themselves hadn't managed to beat some of the raids when they were in beta.) Instead of punishing players for coming up with a different technique than what they envisioned the devs complimented the players on their creativity. i guess what i'm trying to say is that i find it hard to share your viewpoint since i like games where not following a rote script precisely to the letter is allowed. "Thinking is evil! The devs have done all the thinking for you in advance! Obey the script!"

    I don't mind fights being done differently then intended, but definitely not to the point where an important role is played by scripting and a player wanting to play that role is totally useless.
    By the way, Rift also had a lot of situations where fights were done outside of a devs expectations but were allowed. However, when that tactic makes an entire class redundant or totally ignores an important mechanic, then it wasn't allowed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Velox View Post
    The fact that they issued an Emergency Maintenance for "All Worlds" leads me to believe the devs have noticed this little "trick" and are going to correct it.

    Also, just for future reference for everyone
    When you bypass an intended mechanic that was designed to be dealt with directly by the player, it's an exploit, not creative thinking.
    Creative thinking/ come from finding unique/unconventional ways to actually deal with the intended mechanic and achieve the same outcome.

    Finding an exploit does take some ingenuity though, but that doesn't make it right.
    I agree. There is a fine line between creative thinking and exploiting. T2 enrage was fine because it still required all roles to be played by a player. This isn't fine because an entire role is now totally redundant.
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    Last edited by Pantz; 07-15-2014 at 02:56 PM.

  9. #109
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    Empressia's Avatar
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    Carnage Incarnate
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    Tonberry
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    Lancer Lv 50
    Oh really so u wanna labeled all fights requiring no tanks like 8 WHM setups to be an exploit ? I'm sure that offended u more considering it negated both tank and dps roles considering ur mindset is so WoW-ish with the traditional holy trinity setup.
    Redundant? U do realize this no tank setup requires a level of coordination similar to ur static hence no tank loot dramas? just because a mainstream strategy is well known it DOESN"T MEAN any different setup strategies is labelled as exploit Using ur brain and creativity isn't an exploit duh!
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  10. #110
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    Miss'e Eliza
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    Titan
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    Monk Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Edenholt View Post
    We had two healer, WHM and SCH. Both doing a marvelous job.
    Well...we only had two too. My point is getting the buff all the time is not really that necessary for the healers.
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