Hunts were a terrible/irresponsible idea

[AlyssaFhey]

As seen in the recent post 2.3 interview, Elites are the normal way to earn allied marks and the daily a bonus. If they removed the daily limitation and instead allowed you to get a new set of bills right after you've completed the current one you had two different ways to farm allied marks 1normal marks taking around 30 mins with fate wait time for 7 allied marks) 2elites that also drop myth/sol tomes)
If they fear that players would get sand/oil(most wanted items along with alexandrites) they could make each item a weekly lockout so you could only get one of each each week.

You missed the whole point, good job. I can't imagine how you manged to ignore 25 pages of complaints and talk about an irrelevant issue. But kudos.

The problem is elite marks die far too easily. Hell, you're practically PUNISHED for being a nice person and waiting for others to arrive.
IMO the solution is easy though, someone else mentioned this, but 1 hit = contribution. If you spot it and attack it, you should get full credit, because frankly, THIS ISN'T A FATE SO DON'T TREAT IT LIKE ONE SE.

[Seibah]

Hunts are pretty bad now, yeah.

As I mentioned in my thread(http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-in-many-cases) there are a NUMBER of technical issues making the hunt difficult to play, but furthermore:

I have yet to see a hunt end without people swearing at each other, venting in frustration, or a fight. People kicked from parties or LS for pulling the enemy or people who are kind enough to wait for others losing contribution or becoming unable to see the enemy as people flock in.

Atma had a lot of complaints too, but at least it didn't turn players against each other. The way hunts are currently designed have gone a long way to make Eorzea an unpleasant place to be. The reward for the hunt is just far too valuable, and the way it's currently designed is going to lead to lots of miserable players and community. It's really brought out the worst in people more than anything else I've seen in the game thus far, and this is but a mere day in.

[Xellos2099]

They should either put a limit on how many sand/oil you can exchange per week(please, no more than 1 per week),
OR take the sand and oil out of the list,
OR remove weekly limitation on the SCOB(not possible!),
OR drop more gears in SCOB(Sav.) and count SCOB and SCOB(Sav.) seperately instead of sharing weekly limit now.

They made a bad decision on putting out sand and oil this early, if they put them out on patch 2.4 when the SCOB's weekly limitation is removed,
then we will not have this much complaints, right now it is a slap on the face for the ones who have regular jobs.

And this might solve the problem?

Well remove sand and no one in their right mind would do the hunt.

[EllPii]

It seems to me that originally it was SE's intention to make hunts like NMs, where the rewards only benefited the taggers. But then wanted it to make it fairer for people that were unable to tag.
The rewards from daily and weekly hunts (7+20) as well as the exchange rates for items is evidence that they didn't expect people to accumulate seals this fast, looking at people that have 3/4 sands already by day 3.
That perhaps they made a mistake for distributing seals, ie.
S-rank, 50 spread out to the number of contributors (many parties)
A-rank, 20 seals between a party or 2
B-rank, 5 seals between a few people.
It sounds to me like they just copied and pasted the reward algorithms from fates.

[Orson_Dara]

Brutally terrible content SE needs to fix this ASAP or lose subs.

[Violette]

A friend of mine got a sands in 3 hours.

3 hours.

And that is why the system is broken. It's too easy to get items for gearing up, it rewards players for being dicks and screwing over other players.

Honestly, if this is the way they want to play it can I suggest removing wolf marks from Frontlines and giving out Allied seals there?
After all, pvp items are now worthless since Wolves Den is dead and morale is no-longer used.
But the fact that a sands of time can be earned in 3 hours, maybe 2 days if you're unlucky, and earned unlimitedly while the current system exists, it spits in the face of everyone doing coil.

It actively punishes those who don't have time to do hunts and those who don't have the time/internet/patience to do scob. If this was meant to be the alternative ilvl110 gearing to coil.........sucks to be a casual, since the rewards are so great in terms of myth/sol/items that all the hardcore players I know are hardcore hunting this.

[Krr]

Yah I mean, they didnt add anything else. Oh, except Syrcus Tower, chocobo stables, main scenario content, tons of side quests, Ramuh, desynthesis, and QoL out the yinyang.

Ah yeah, that one casual raid that you know inside out in like three runs, about two hours of cutscenes, house-only content, and a Primal who barely anyone on is doing because they're too busy hunting 'till their eyes bleed before the sands get nerfed.

At least the new 4mans look pretty. I wonder which one will turn into the new Brayflox once this hunting fad dies...

Let me be clear here: Not only are hunts themselves bad, they're driving people out of other content who want the easy (and fast, repeatable, unlimited) way to Sands. That's going to make the game a very boring place very quickly, if the equivalent of max-level FATE grinding is our new optimal source of loot.

[solairef]

Well remove sand and no one in their right mind would do the hunt.

Well they still get Alexandrites for Novus Weapon though, plus personally I don't even mind if SE keep the oil on the list, just take out the sand plz, it is really a game balance breaker.

[Xellos2099]

Well they still get Alexandrites for Novus Weapon though, plus personally I don't even mind if SE keep the oil on the list, just take out the sand plz, it is really a game balance breaker.

No one will get Alex... it is way faster to spam dungeon for the map.

[solairef]

No one will get Alex... it is way faster to spam dungeon for the map.

Well, in SE's word, "we will provide more ways of getting XXX in the future update", and here it is. SE don't give a dxxn about if you take it or not, if they give it to you, they've given it to you.