How did the community become this toxic?

[Wulfyn]

What I am seeing is alot of gimme gimme, rush rush, lack of patience, basically bad attitudes. Lets not forget that some of those that hold others to high standards may also be ones that were carried through some things themselves. Some of them are also some of the ones demanding challenge yet will exploit anything they can, avoid clearing every mob, and even tout oh the boss is scripted, know what it does and its easy (challenge right?) . Ultimately internet anonimity and lack of consequences topped off with bribes to get others to "help" those in need only encourages a poor community.

[Fendred]

What I am seeing is alot of gimme gimme, rush rush, lack of patience, basically bad attitudes. Lets not forget that some of those that hold others to high standards may also be ones that were carried through some things themselves. Some of them are also some of the ones demanding challenge yet will exploit anything they can, avoid clearing every mob, and even tout oh the boss is scripted, know what it does and its easy (challenge right?) . Ultimately internet anonimity and lack of consequences topped off with bribes to get others to "help" those in need only encourages a poor community.

I regularly encounter the "x primal fight is easy" in duty finder which speaks volumes about the kinds of people we're dealing with. They are essentially denying reality in a vain attempt to stroke their own egos. Not a single EX fight qualifies as easy. All of them require several deaths in the process of mastering. I don't mean "you may die in the process of mastering the fight." I mean people literally will ALWAYS die in the process of learning it.

DF easy primal EX kills do not exist, and the only "noobs", as they like to dub those who are still learning, are the ones who walk in thinking they are getting a free lunch.

[ZanzhizExaverion]

I regularly encounter the "x primal fight is easy" in duty finder which speaks volumes about the kinds of people we're dealing with. They are essentially denying reality in a vain attempt to stroke their own egos. Not a single EX fight qualifies as easy. All of them require several deaths in the process of mastering. I don't mean "you may die in the process of mastering the fight." I mean people literally will ALWAYS die in the process of learning it.

DF easy primal EX kills do not exist, and the only "noobs", as they like to dub those who are still learning, are the ones who walk in thinking they are getting a free lunch.

Noob does pertain to a person learning, yes!

Wanted to comment on your assessment of EX Primals not being "Easy" though. I could do Leviathan Ex in my sleep on a tank, main or off, (He's the only one I consider a complete joke of a fight when tanking.) and I've only successfully cleared it twice with DF groups. It depends on the class/job going into the fight in terms of difficulty. Ifrit is hell on healers, Garuda is hell on tanks, Titan is just hell.

Toxic community is a divide really. Some people are rude to ignorant people, and some people are rude to people who don't know the fights, for example. It goes both ways, and everyone does it once in a while.

All in all. I just think Hunts are just really opening the community's eyes to how selfish a WoW-based combat system can be. So we're getting like a million "I hate people" threads.

[Magis]

All in all. I just think Hunts are just really opening the community's eyes to how selfish a WoW-based combat system can be. So we're getting like a million "I hate people" threads.

How's the combat system to blame? Not refuting, just interested on why you think so. I'd say it's more the DF system.

[Wulfyn]

I stopped at Titan HM, simply because by that time I had had enough of the behaviour. That was my first and only time I attempted it for relic quest. That was about 6 months ago. That kind of behaviour is exactly why I will never tank DF or anything else but just for my FC/friends. I don't pay to listen to players be abusive or act like little spoiled brats. What players like that don't realize, at the end of the day the majority of the world doesn't give a Qiqirn's arse that they think theyre all that and a bag of chips, or what they may have accomplished in a video game. If I am in DF I am usually my lvl50 and I am there to help and get rewarded for helping. Helping is a reward of it's own.