Hunts were a terrible/irresponsible idea

[SeleneVenizelos]

+1.

The hunt system is very poorly conceived. Honestly, it's amazing that it passed quality control to be added to the patch. Monsters are dead before people can get credit. If you wait to let others get credit, you don't get credit. B Rank Elite Marks are dead in seconds giving pretty much nobody except the claimer a chance in hell. The last live letter feels like a total troll now we know how the hunt system works.

I've spent about six hours today hunting these and I have 99 Marks to show for it. I've seen ten different... DIFFERENT A Rank monsters die as I get there because, guess what? People kill them because they don't care about other people. SE, you need to learn if people can be jerks with content they will be. You said people would need to shout in zones for help? Oh they do. But the moment they smell blood, the monsters die.

I've seen a good couple hundred marks evaporate before my eyes today and the one time I was there in time I did the decent thing and turned, to let others have time to get there. How stupid of me because I didn't get credit.

Great reward for being a nice person. Nothing.

The whole system needs fixing. I've played your MMOs for years and this is the worst system you have ever released. Even Abyssea was better than this garbage.

[Azurymber]

+1.
The whole system needs fixing. I've played your MMOs for years and this is the worst system you have ever released. Even Abyssea was better than this garbage.

I quit ffxi because of abyssea... and I have to admit, I agree with you. Abyssea was leagues better than this. I love the concept of hunts. And the daily hunts are fun. But by daily hunt standards it will take ONE MONTH to get a peice of alexandria.... that is ridiculous.

[SeleneVenizelos]

I quit ffxi because of abyssea... and I have to admit, I agree with you. Abyssea was leagues better than this. I love the concept of hunts. And the daily hunts are fun. But by daily hunt standards it will take ONE MONTH to get a peice of alexandria.... that is ridiculous.

Abyssea made a nice change, because it wasn't all dependent on direct competition. Once you got your spawns, they were yours and yours alone, on demand. It improved even more when they added multiple spawn points and key items to chests. But the system as a whole felt very rushed and botched. They had the potential to make something epic out of abyssea and failed, in my opinion. They've done the same with hunts except somehow failed even worse.

The potential for enjoyment with hunts is massive. I was super excited it was added and it makes the disappointment even worse. It's obvious to anybody who's played MMOs for awhile how much this system would suck with the way it currently is. It's honestly astonishing it made it through checks. I can't find words to express how much it surprises me. I could have told SE from playing with it for thirty minutes that 99% of people wouldn't get credit on anything.

[niwaar]

I quit ffxi because of abyssea... and I have to admit, I agree with you. Abyssea was leagues better than this. I love the concept of hunts. And the daily hunts are fun. But by daily hunt standards it will take ONE MONTH to get a peice of alexandria.... that is ridiculous.

How would you fix the system?
The idea is a sound one but the implementation is poor.

Would you rather the game forced a claim system into effect on Hunt mobs? This would solve some small issues, but it would extremely limit the number of people who could participate. NMs were a hefty part of the fun of XI, but in terms of a "seal" system, they can't be adequately added to XIV.

The best way to implement this sort of system would have been to do so under a modified version of the TAU hierarchy NM/HNM system. Gain points from doing the "daily hunts", use points to either spawn harder NMs for your group or use them to purchase items for yourself. This game desperately needed something to do in the open world, it just happens that without a claim system, everything because a cluster%#$@ and nothing adequate is created.

We HAVE a claim system based in the DUTY system. We can spawn treasure map enemies without having to deal with others attacking our mobs, if we had spawned mobs with difficult to obtain spawn items and interesting drops, we'd have had a perfect system.

[Giantbane]

If you wait to let others get credit, you don't get credit.

I've seen ten different... DIFFERENT A Rank monsters die as I get there because, guess what? People kill them because they don't care about other people.

They're not necessarily being jerks, nor is it necessarily because they don't care about other people. You said it yourself. If they try to let everybody know where a monster is, the whole server shows up and nobody gets any credit.

I just had an instance where I found a rank A. Told a couple LS & my FC and did a shout about it. A few people showed up and started yelling about don't pull until X time. Then more, then this wave of people show up. I just pulled it because my group was small and I'll be damned if I was going to get no credit for the monster I found, so I pulled immediately as soon as I saw the wave show up. It dies in less than 15 seconds and a few people got mad at me because I pulled the hunt I found early. I still only got 12/20 for the rank A. Teaches me for trying to include others on the kill.

Best to avoid the hassle and just kill it if you can.

[SeleneVenizelos]

They're not necessarily being jerks, nor is it necessarily because they don't care about other people. You said it yourself. If they try to let everybody know where a monster is, the whole server shows up and nobody gets any credit.

I found an A Rank yesterday and I told my friends. They started making their way there but three other people showed up moments after I found it and started fighting. I fought it a little to get my credit, and I turned around. I asked them very nicely in say to please wait a few moments whilst a few of my friends got there. Nothing. I asked again. Nothing. The third time I was a little more blunt, and the response was "stfu".

That is one of four such occasions something similar has happened. Whilst I admire your rose tinted view of the general player base, the vast majority of people would choose to do what I just described rather than turn, wait a few moments, and let other people benefit from what they are fighting.

And no, my friends didn't make it in time.

And to all the people saying "YOU WANTED OPEN WORLD NMs", do you really think that's a valid argument? Nobody asked for a system so poorly designed as this and the repeated use of this 'justification' for hunts being so awful shows how little room for argument there actually is. If you're going to tell people they can't complain do better than "YOU ASKED FOR THIS", it's a really empty, pathetic argument.

[JayCommon]

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And you generalizing an entire system based off of 4 experiences in one world out of 60+ is supposed to be more valid?

I'm sorry that your server is full of people like that. I'm sure they didn't materialize out of thin air when Hunts arrived. They were like that well before, and will continue to be like that. So all of us should suffer because Sargatanas is a bad server to play on?

I can name 50 instances in the last two days in Goblin where people DID wait for EVERYONE, LS leaders /shouting in the zone for people to come to the hunt, and to BE IN A PARTY to get full rewards because they die fast, telling people which aetheryte to port to if there was two in the area. I have NEVER felt such a sense of community in this game in the 9 months I have been playing.

So your bad experiences is grounds to put an end to all of this?

This just shows how wildly experiences differ. Do you notice how there aren't many people from Goblin posting on this thread? It's because they are (for the most part) all working together in-game right now and all equally reaping the rewards. I know because I have experienced it for the last two days. I would be right now if I weren't at work. Your server being bad =/= implementing a system that was quite literally asked for by the people in these forums being bad.


HP scaled up on hunts and this system is perfect IMO.

rendered it unplayable for the vast majority of people.

If you think "forum posters" are the vast majority of people......

[Worm]

HP scaled up on hunts and this system is perfect IMO.

Yeah an Odin level shit show every 3 hours, fantastic. Honestly how are you going to argue against anecdotal complaints and then offer anecdotal success stories?

So I just noticed that the cap for marks is 4000. Am I the only one concerned that the relic quest might involve hunts?

Oh yeah, then I'm sure all these fair weather fans will be still talking about how wonderful the system is. "It's so much better than ATMA farming guys, I swear!"

[SeleneVenizelos]

So your bad experiences is grounds to put an end to all of this?

Stop being such a drama queen. I have every right to vent my concerns with this system. I've been one of the more, shall we say, well spoken people here? I am not reducing my complaints to tirades of abuse at the development team nor am I complaining for the sake of it. I'm expressing concerns that I have every right to share.

And, you know, stop being a hypocrit. You say I'm generalising based on bad experiences but you're doing the exact same thing to me. So you've gotten lucky with the hunts or you've had some occasions where people have waited. I'm so happy for you! Read through this thread and you will see it is clearly the exception. Stop being so delusional.

[Clavaat]

Read through this thread and you will see it is clearly the exception. Stop being so delusional.

Reading through this thread is the opposite of a good idea. The OP is irrational, the posters moreso, you yourself have made zero point or contribution to the actual discussion, and all in all this is a non-issue. There are tons of new things to do with this patch, and it will not be an issue within a week or so. It's seriously like no one has ever been around for the past 3 major patches since launch, and have seen the pattern of stupidity and irrelevancy people hold dearly onto. There's about, 20 threads about the same thing, made by the same few people, and in less than a week, no one will care.