Just sayin... (SMN)

[Tupsi]

XI is not turn based.

Whatever version of crab you may be fighting at the moment does not stop attacking until your party has input their commands and then you all exchange blows.

Slow doesn't make it turn based, it just makes it slow >_>

I used SE's words. Due to the slower nature of the game it's been described as turn based, people think too literally. Just like they described FFXIV as more of an action battle system but not action game (Yoshida's reasoning for jump not being an actual battle tactic in general gameplay.)

Since spamming skills (or "your rotation" as people call it) would make this an action game by definition.

[melflomil]

when I fought Ifrit at level 20 and I seen his moves, radiant plumes, Hellfire, flamethrower and eruptions.I thought man I can't wait to summon him to do those moves. Since they are really strong moves I thought they would have a long cool downs especially Hellfire. I was a little disappointed when I first summoned him as those moves where not available. I could of lived without the moveset but the way he looked completely killed it. I didn't care for the size but the model details. Carbuncle looks like carbuncle. Not enough people are complaining about it.

[Lemuria]

So, if I read the OP right, he's quitting because of a single class? Oh well, bon voyage I guess.

I'll freely admit that Summoner's aren't nearly as reliant on their summons as they were previously, but isn't that arguably a good thing? In FFXI, you were basically a backup healer using whatever skills your measly WHM job could provide in the gap between blood pacts. It wasn't particularly fun, though I admit the pets at least had some crazy damage at times.

Personally, I think the fault with summoner is the same as the fault with every spell ever. Elements are worthless. What is the point in so-called element aspect damage when it literally makes no difference to the target? Fireballs on Ifrit, Aero on Garuda, Stone on Titan and so forth... it makes no difference at all. So, when summoner comes into the game, they have no way of making them different from each other, which is why they've been shoe-horned into tank/range/melee roles.

Their biggest faux pas was the removal of elemental weaknesses, strengths and the various combat intricacies that such a system provides. Summoner is the result of one big bad decision, and is just doing the best it can in the world that was created for it.

[Dwill]

I used SE's words. Due to the slower nature of the game it's been described as turn based, people think too literally. Just like they described FFXIV as more of an action battle system but not action game (Yoshida's reasoning for jump not being an actual battle tactic in general gameplay.)

Since spamming skills (or "your rotation" as people call it) would make this an action game by definition.

Citation needed. I've never seen this game as being advertised as turn-based.

It's not a matter of thinking too literally. FFXI had nothing to do with turn-based, it was slow due the nature of the combat which was reliant on weapon delay for nearly all action. RTB is a different system than turn-based and this is the system XI was built upon.

Turn-based= FFX
RTB= FFXI

[abzoluut]

I'll say it again. SMN was rushed in right before launch. They made an affliction warlock (notice how Yoshi P played WoW, so he knows the class and that particular spec).

People were expecting to actually summon summons to do certain abilities instead of a pet class which SMN is now. I doubt that they'll change it. We'll get the story how the egi's fit the lore bla bla bla.

I don't play SMN, I just like to see them around. Not in their current form though, so I feel with you all!

Edit: Yoshi played WoW

[Ghastly]

I'll say it again. SMN was rushed in right before launch. They made an affliction warlock (notice how Yoshi P worked on WoW, so he knows the class and that particular spec).

People were expection to actually summon summons to do certain abilities instead of a pet class which SMN is now. I doubt that they'll change it. We'll get the story how the egi's fit the lore bla bla bla.

I don't play SMN, I just like to see them around. Not in their current form though, so I feel with you all!

Thank you! I really feel like they took the easy way out. Someone above mentioned how he expected the egis to at least do some of the primal moves (with lower damage of course). Instead we have egis which do......some underwhelming slashing attacks. Would love to see Garuda egi summon feather grenades...or summon 2 Garudas like in her fight.

It's the entire thing.....if we got toy-like egis why didn't we get impressive attacks?
I could deal with unimpressive attacks if they looked better.

[Dwill]

I'll say it again. SMN was rushed in right before launch. They made an affliction warlock (notice how Yoshi P worked on WoW, so he knows the class and that particular spec).

People were expection to actually summon summons to do certain abilities instead of a pet class which SMN is now. I doubt that they'll change it. We'll get the story how the egi's fit the lore bla bla bla.

I don't play SMN, I just like to see them around. Not in their current form though, so I feel with you all!

Again, citation needed. Yoshida mentioned he drew inspirations from WoW, having played it, not that he worked on it.

Thank you! I really feel like they took the easy way out. Someone above mentioned how he expected the egis to at least do some of the primal moves (with lower damage of course). Instead we have egis which do......some underwhelming slashing attacks. Would love to see Garuda egi summon feather grenades...or summon 2 Garudas like in her fight.

It's the entire thing.....if we got toy-like egis why didn't we get impressive attacks?
I could deal with unimpressive attacks if they looked better.

The Egis actually use some of the attack at lower damage (Garuda with Aerial Blast, Ifrit with Crimson Cyclone/Inferno , Titan with Mountain Buster/ Earthen Fury).

[Verranicus]

I'll say it again. SMN was rushed in right before launch. They made an affliction warlock (notice how Yoshi P worked on WoW, so he knows the class and that particular spec).

People were expection to actually summon summons to do certain abilities instead of a pet class which SMN is now. I doubt that they'll change it. We'll get the story how the egi's fit the lore bla bla bla.

I don't play SMN, I just like to see them around. Not in their current form though, so I feel with you all!

Yeah, a guy who doesn't speak English worked on WoW.

[Dree-Elle]

And people are going to continue to completely ignore the fact that you are NOT summoning a Primal. You are not even summoning a miniature Primal. You are siphoning off a teeny-tiny, infinitely miniscule portion of that primal's aetheric essence, and giving it form based upon your PC's subconscious impressions of it.

[Amarathval]

the Summoner from the quest to become a summoner had better Egis then us, but then again he was somewhat evil and possibly compensating for something. regardless I love the SMN class, it could use some improvements, especially Ifrit-egi, but Garuda is great for how it is currently, and titan-egi has let me pull off some stupid crap that I doubt I could have done as any other dps class.