Fake experienced people in coil 2?

[RygaenYuui]

I mean, gosh, if the pf saying be experienced and need prior win experience, please do so. There are still plenty of learning group for t6-8 everyday of the week. Before I got my win I am always honest with my experience. I recall my first t8 win I said to the leader, never win before, but seen allagan field. The leader say ok and I join the group and after getting some pointer from them we won at the end. Is it so hard to be honest about what you know to do? The monk i mention was not bad, but if he had mention he never won before we might have explain what he need to do and win instead of kicking him.

But isn't this the case for every party? Some people may actually do strategies differently (I know for a fact I've done positioning for Melusine like 3 different ways in different groups). Most mechanics are the same but it's always good since you have to rely on 7 other people to be clear and on the same page before starting any fight.

....But assumptions can lead to quick disappointments whereas communicating your strategy to make sure everyone is clear will at least give them an opportunity to prove whether they are worth their weight or not.

[ShinkuTachi]

All SE would even have to do to mitigate this is set up a "cleared" check box with the rest of PF stipulations.

Then, if it's checked and someone who has not cleared the content tries to get in said PT, they won't be able to get in. Simple solution.

EDIT: Nevermind, I derped. The PF isn't set around the specific instance you're running. I forgot that >_<

[Nukocafe]

That's why stuff like "experienced only/clear group" is a bunch of b/s.
If you want people who don't suck, just say "if you die to mechanic xyz you will be kicked."
This way, even if someone who actually has cleared it - but was basically carried through the run comes, you can remove them.
In the end it's not about "clear experience" it's about "do you know what you are doing."

I've partied with people who have never cleared something and were more competent than those who "supposedly have".

Remember that someone who has cleared something could be potentially a person who got carried or even purchased their clear and they're just as bad as a complete newbie to the fight.

[Princess_Rosilee]

I don't think basing humanity on my sarcastic comment is a very optimistic way of looking at things…o.O

[Ruethryl]

All SE would even have to do to mitigate this is set up a "cleared" check box with the rest of PF stipulations.

Then, if it's checked and someone who has not cleared the content tries to get in said PT, they won't be able to get in. Simple solution.

EDIT: Nevermind, I derped. The PF isn't set around the specific instance you're running. I forgot that >_<

It could be, if you're doing it right you can specify which content the PF is for (my favorite was a group listed as T5 that went to Ifrit Ex instead -_-) and then such a check could be made i suppose.

[Sylve]

I think it's bad to lie about experience. That's grounds for kicking. Dishonest people shouldn't get any leeway.

"Hello, i'm over your ilvl requirement for Coil, I've watched ALL the videos, multiple times for hours to learn the fight, I know EXACTLY what i need to do and when to do it, But i've not killed it yet, can i join?"
Response:


Every. Single. Time.
Is it any wonder people will just say they've cleared it when PF groups refuse well geared players a place simply because they have not gotten a killing blow on it yet? Despite being honest and even learning via videos and tutorials.

[Ryuko]

I love helping people, and sometimes join learning parties simply out of boredom. Sometimes I'll even MAKE learning parties for people (because I understand what it's like to be stuck on something and not be able to win because others aren't learning). But NOTHING annoys me more than when I put specific instructions in a PF comment only to have people join that clearly didn't read them, or just didn't care. I once set up a Titan (Extreme) win party for the weekly clear, and a dragoon joined and said in party chat: "I haven't gotten far in this fight but I need practice so I guess I'll just stay until you kick me." I thought he was joking at first, but he was serious. It made me really uncomfortable and then he finally left.

Another time, I made a T5 farming party (mostly FC people with a few open slots) and made it very clear we were just farming. Someone joined and caused us to wipe by messing up fireball/conflag. When we wiped, he said something like... "I thought this was a farming party." Insulting us... and then he got hit by divebombs, twisters, you name it. We were all chatting on mumble theorizing that he didn't know what he was doing... and then when we FINALLY got one clear (30 minutes later), we all see in the log that he received his first clear achievement. *facepalm* It just amazed me that he would insult us with stuff like "I thought this was a farming party?" and then clearly have deceived us the entire time.

As far as honesty... if people tell me they have gotten to the end but haven't beaten it... good enough for me if they are being TRUTHFUL. A lot of the time when I join learning groups to help out, I'll tell people... if there's anything you are unsure about, PLEASE ask. No judgment. If you don't ask, we can't help you. If we don't notice and point out your mistake, you won't realize your mistake. People need to be nicer about giving advice AND taking it.

[NorthernLadMSP]

LOL, you should come join Famfrit and do Levi EX parties. Every single time someone gets that "OMG, WTF, I thought this was a farming party" attitude, I think back to the number of times I had to raise them because they died. Or not raise them because they fell in the ocean.

[Miste]

Like I think someone else said...I kinda blame SE for these situations. Certain content being unable to DF it and also the fact that the lockout stops people from helping others. I really like healing SCOB and I would definitely join groups to help others if I could, but I get locked because I am in a static with friends.