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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunsen View Post
    Ok... maybe mine doesn't have Hasty Touch lol..... Apologies ^^;.... But still, everyone who doesn't have Artisan Tool.. below is the BEST rotation if you are fully melded (no meld needed in off-hand).. If anyone has a quicker rotation, I would love to hear about it ^^/

    50 Alchemy
    50 Weaver
    50 Carpenter
    37 Culinary
    15 Blacksmith
    15 Leatherworker

    Craftsmanship: 359
    Control: 351

    80 Durability 2 Star MACRO ROTATION (341 CP Required):
    Do you have a rotation/macro for one or two star, 40 dur? I would like to know! Thanks!!
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    You know what's so overpowered in this game, that they just HAD to leave out?
    -Buffing during cutscenes.
    -Pets receiving the Protect buff.
    -A blacklist with more than a 200 player capacity.
    -Filtering the flying text for your own numbers.
    -A better way to organize and sort through your macros.

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    Also, @SeleneVenizelos, is your rotation/macro on the first page of this thread for two-star 80dur? I wasn't too clear on that. Thanks!
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    You know what's so overpowered in this game, that they just HAD to leave out?
    -Buffing during cutscenes.
    -Pets receiving the Protect buff.
    -A blacklist with more than a 200 player capacity.
    -Filtering the flying text for your own numbers.
    -A better way to organize and sort through your macros.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EvianEverdeen View Post
    Do you have a rotation/macro for one or two star, 40 dur? I would like to know! Thanks!!
    Yep, I do!

    **Disclaimer, this isn't one of those truly 100% because it relies on Hasty Touch, but it works often enough for me to think it is one of the best 40 durability rotations out there. Again, if there is something better let me know.

    I used this rotation to make the 2 star 40 durability items to get my book. So I can confirm I did NOT have my Artisan's, but I was fully melded.. so stats should be same as my 80 durability rotation.

    Craftsmanship: 359
    Control: 351

    With the below rotation you can do 1 Star 40 Durability Items with all NQ mats.

    Examples of 1 Star 40 Durability Items:

    Twinthread
    Darksteel Nugget
    Rosegold Nugget
    Hippogryph Leather
    Spruce Lumber
    Growth Formula Delta

    In addition with the below rotation you can do 2 Star Items using 2 HQs of the mats above.

    Examples of 2 Star 40 Durability Items:

    Vanya Silk
    Darksteel Ingot
    Rosegold Ingot
    Hard Hippogryph Leather
    Treated Spruce Lumber
    Growth Formula Delta Concentrate

    40 Durability 2 Star MACRO ROTATION (371 CP Required):

    2 Star 40 Opener

    /action "Comfort Zone" <me> <wait.2>
    /action "Inner Quiet" <me> <wait.2>
    /action "Steady Hand II" <me> <wait.2>
    /action "Waste Not II" <me> <wait.2>
    /action "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
    /action "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
    /action "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
    /action "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
    /action "Steady Hand II" <me> <wait.2>
    /action "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
    /action "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
    /action "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
    /action "Manipulation" <me> <wait.2>
    /action "Steady Hand II" <me> <wait.2>
    /echo <<<<<–NEXT #2–>>>>> <se.7>

    2 Star 40 Finisher

    /action "Great Strides" <me> <wait.2>
    /action "Ingenuity II" <me> <wait.2>
    /action "Innovation" <me> <wait.2>
    /action "Byregot's Blessing" <me> <wait.3>
    /action "Careful Synthesis II" <me> <wait.3>
    /action "Careful Synthesis II" <me> <wait.3>
    /echo <<<<<–END MACRO!!–>>>>> <se.10>


    EDIT: Added 2nd Careful Synthesis that is needed for those that don't have Artisan's.
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    Last edited by Bunsen; 07-04-2014 at 06:44 AM.

  4. #44
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunsen View Post
    Yep, I do!
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    Can you really guarantee without artisans that a 40 durability two star item will finish in a single Careful Synthesis II while under Ingenuity II with no Artisans and no melded offhand? I'm not saying you're wrong, I just remember only getting 108 progress from that, which left me short of the goal by a little bit, requiring a second CSII. But, my memory kinda sucks, so I could definitely be misremembering.

    Also, your Steady Hand II can be a Steady Hand instead, saving 3 CP since all you do with it is Byregot's, which has 90% success rate. If you want to reduce the CP cost further, you can ditch the Innovation, saving another 18 CP, as Innovation only helps a tiny bit (it only gives you (Base Control) x 0.5 extra Control, not (Inner-Quiet-buffed Control) x 0.5 like some expect). That brings the CP cost down to 350, so you only need to eat an NQ Frumenty, which are dirt cheap.

    The rotation I used for these was extremely similar to yours: 350CP req, min Craft req, Control varies due to reliance on Hasty Touch:

    Req Classes:
    - 50 LTW
    - 50 CRP
    - 50 WVR
    - 50 BSM (Actually, maybe Ingenuity I would work? I haven't tried it)
    - 37 CUL
    - 50 ALC (or increase CP cost by 14)
    - 15 GSM

    40 Durability 2 Star MACRO ROTATION (350 CP Required*):
    (* Possibly 342 if Ingenuity I is enough, I haven't tried it. Add 14 if ALC is below 50)

    2 Star 40 Opener

    /ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.2>
    /ac "Inner Quiet" <wait.2>
    /ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.3>
    /ac "Waste Not II" <wait.2>
    /ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
    /ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
    /echo Next <se.5>


    2 Star 40 Finisher

    /ac "Manipulation" <wait.2>
    /ac "Steady Hand" <wait.2>
    /ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Great Strides" <wait.5>
    /ac "Ingenuity II" <wait.2>
    /ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
    /ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
    /ac "Careful Synthesis II"

    The reason for the extra wait before Ingenuity II is twofold - if your condition is Excellent, you may want to cancel the macro and manually finish it. Also, if you fail to hit the Ingenuity due to lag, your synth will fail. I randomly lag, and I don't like synths failing.

    Thinking about it, since I do CSII twice, I wonder if I could have gotten away with Ingenuity I instead of Ingenuity II. That would lower the entry requirement from BSM 50 to BSM 15 and lower the CP required by 8. That would allow you to do the rotation without food with 342 CP, or 345 CP if you wanted to bump the Steady Hand to a Steady Hand II for the single Hasty Touch in there...
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    Last edited by Nyalia; 07-04-2014 at 01:21 AM.
    (The links below are sadly outdated. I hope to get around to updating things at some point.)
    Desynthesis Guide: http://tinyurl.com/ffxivdesynth

    Airship Guide: http://tinyurl.com/ffxivairshipguide (\v/) Airship Quick Reference: http://tinyurl.com/ffxivairshipqr
    Airship Logsheet: http://tinyurl.com/ffxivairshiplog (/|\) Airship Builder Tool: http://tinyurl.com/ffxivairshipbuilder

  5. #45
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyalia View Post
    Can you really guarantee without artisans that a 40 durability two star item will finish in a single Careful Synthesis II while under Ingenuity II with no Artisans and no melded offhand?
    He can't guarantee that because it doesn't. 392 Craftsmanship gives me 115/114 progress with Ingenuity 2 active. How much would 359, his recommended amount? I also know from experience that it won't work. Without Artisan you can not finish two star 40s in one step. Thankfully this 100% 40 durability rotation works. Make your Twinthread, Rose Gold Nugget, etc, with the rotation. It works without Artisan Tool. The use the same rotation but slightly modified for the items you're after. Specifically follow this part:

    Solution for non-Artisan 2 Star

    Simple solution. Use the rotation to make the two HQ base (Twinthread, etc) for your two star synth. Drop the first basic touch from the rotation and use Careful Synthesis II instead. This will reach 100% without any RNG (just!) but it will require the two HQ materials. That's not a problem with this rotation now though!
    So use the rotation to make the HQ ingredients for the two star. The rotation above HQs without Artisan if the two ingredients are two star and you follow the above modification.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeleneVenizelos View Post
    Thanks! I really need to replace my tried-and-mostly-true HT macros with the 100% BT macros from this forum. Thank you guys for being kind enough to share them! In addition to the one you linked (and this one), I found other threads that have superior macros to all the ones I have been using.
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    (The links below are sadly outdated. I hope to get around to updating things at some point.)
    Desynthesis Guide: http://tinyurl.com/ffxivdesynth

    Airship Guide: http://tinyurl.com/ffxivairshipguide (\v/) Airship Quick Reference: http://tinyurl.com/ffxivairshipqr
    Airship Logsheet: http://tinyurl.com/ffxivairshiplog (/|\) Airship Builder Tool: http://tinyurl.com/ffxivairshipbuilder

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    Also on the note of the 1/2 star 80dur rotation that Bunsen was kind enough to point out, I like it, it works, but there is only one drawback in my opinion. It relies on regular Ingenuity. No other rotations typically use Ingenuity and instead use Ingenuity II. That being said, using regular Ingenuity forces you to use it as a cross class action; and with only 10 additional slots available, something has to give if you want to keep all your other macros intact and be setup for 3star crafting. My suggestion is, as is, it is a good beginner macro, but once you really get into crafting, you could change Ingenuity to Ingenuity II and just use an NPC-purchased Mashed Popotoes in order to keep Ingenuity out of your cross class actions.
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    You know what's so overpowered in this game, that they just HAD to leave out?
    -Buffing during cutscenes.
    -Pets receiving the Protect buff.
    -A blacklist with more than a 200 player capacity.
    -Filtering the flying text for your own numbers.
    -A better way to organize and sort through your macros.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EvianEverdeen View Post
    Also on the note of the 1/2 star 80dur rotation that Bunsen was kind enough to point out, I like it, it works, but there is only one drawback in my opinion. It relies on regular Ingenuity. No other rotations typically use Ingenuity and instead use Ingenuity II. That being said, using regular Ingenuity forces you to use it as a cross class action; and with only 10 additional slots available, something has to give if you want to keep all your other macros intact and be setup for 3star crafting. My suggestion is, as is, it is a good beginner macro, but once you really get into crafting, you could change Ingenuity to Ingenuity II and just use an NPC-purchased Mashed Popotoes in order to keep Ingenuity out of your cross class actions.
    Ingenuity can be very useful, I see no reason why you would not want both on your x-class skills bar for all crafts.

    Changing it for Ing 2 and forcing yourself to require food is 2 steps backwards in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scarebearz View Post
    Ingenuity can be very useful, I see no reason why you would not want both on your x-class skills bar for all crafts.

    Changing it for Ing 2 and forcing yourself to require food is 2 steps backwards in my opinion.
    Because then I would have to switch an ability out of my additional actions. Forgetting to do that could produce very bad results. Excluding Ingenuity, everything else would be all set for 3-star crafting and all the other rotations.
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    You know what's so overpowered in this game, that they just HAD to leave out?
    -Buffing during cutscenes.
    -Pets receiving the Protect buff.
    -A blacklist with more than a 200 player capacity.
    -Filtering the flying text for your own numbers.
    -A better way to organize and sort through your macros.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scarebearz View Post
    Ingenuity can be very useful, I see no reason why you would not want both on your x-class skills bar for all crafts.

    Changing it for Ing 2 and forcing yourself to require food is 2 steps backwards in my opinion.
    I've noticed 12 cross-class actions are required for all of the rotations I want to use, 10 of those for 3-star crafting alone. Now that's fine, say on ALC, where two of those abilities are part of that 12, so that leaves me with 10 open slots to fill in the the other 10 I need. But I suppose I won't be 3-star crafting super often, I'll just have to try to remember to switch out Ingenuity with like Piece by Piece or something. Also, I could always use another 2-star, 80dur rotation/macro once I get my artisan primary.
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    You know what's so overpowered in this game, that they just HAD to leave out?
    -Buffing during cutscenes.
    -Pets receiving the Protect buff.
    -A blacklist with more than a 200 player capacity.
    -Filtering the flying text for your own numbers.
    -A better way to organize and sort through your macros.

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