Possible Paladin Rework...

[Giantbane]

The forum character limit is a joke and should be removed.

On-topic, ANYTHING that helps paladin out is a step in the right direction. There's a handful of folks here who always step into these threads and declare gladiator\paladin perfectly tuned, but the sad fact is that Warriors have it much easier from start to finish in terms of threat generation and just general smooth-feeling\performing skills and Paladin could use some help.

PLD generates more single target enmity than a warrior. The only thing a WAR does better is initial burst threat if you stack all your buffs and do 3x BB combos. But the PLD catches back up eventually.

The only real place where the WAR is obviously better than a PLD is AoE threat and AoE damage. WAR crushes PLD in a very real way in this area to the point of it not being even remotely balanced. PLD could use a boost in both areas. They don't have to be equal to a WAR in AoE threat and damage, but it should be closer than it is.

Shield swipe being only marginally useful, shield bash interrupting combos, oaths being on the GCD and interrupting combos are all areas where the PLD could use some love, but it doesn't make them broken by any stretch of the imagination.

[Kitru]

PLD generates more single target enmity than a warrior. The only thing a WAR does better is initial burst threat if you stack all your buffs and do 3x BB combos. But the PLD catches back up eventually.

Actually, it doesn't. A WAR doing the proper UBIR will consistently stay ahead of a PLD as long as they keep doing their UBIR every 2 mins. UBIR just generates *that much* enmity. UBIR generates an absolutely massive cushion. Even if PLD generates more ePot/GCD outside of UBIR, the UBIR cushion is big enough to more than make up for that.

[Synestra]

Shield swipe being only marginally useful, shield bash interrupting combos, oaths being on the GCD and interrupting combos are all areas where the PLD could use some love, but it doesn't make them broken by any stretch of the imagination.

This is true as PLD will get its job done, tho this does not mean its totally finished as it is now. Some skills just feels kinda unfinished and that we even miss some skills(Riot Blade combo for example), some kind of alternative combo rotation that uses MP would be usefull for example. Stances being off-GCD would be awesome QoL increase and changing Shield Swipe to mini-overpower with reduced potency should balance PLD and WAR lil bit in AoE situations, oh and Cover should also work on magic damage. I hope we will see more utility for paladins when expansion comes as i personally see PLD's as an utility tanks and WAR's as raw damage tanks

[Jubez187]

changing Shield Swipe to mini-overpower with reduced potency should balance PLD and WAR lil bit in AoE situations

IMO shield swipe is fine. But the fact NOTHING of threat can be pacified is not. Imagine popping bulwark at the right time to get a pacify to negate some of Ifrit EX's Supp stacks? That would be a fun gameplay paradigm.

[Synestra]

IMO shield swipe is fine. But the fact NOTHING of threat can be pacified is not. Imagine popping bulwark at the right time to get a pacify to negate some of Ifrit EX's Supp stacks? That would be a fun gameplay paradigm.

Aye it is fine as an TP "builder"/damage skill but i just would like to have some AoE besides SoC even if it does puny damage ;_; And i actually use that bulwark+swipe combo on Diabolos, so pacify working on raid bosses/primals would be pretty damn awesome.