Fake experienced people in coil 2?

[TeganLaron]

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There's so much wrong in this post it's actually making my head hurt trying to think of where to start...

Let's go with "2. Forming practice parties hardly fills up for t6-9 because those are HEAVY progression at this point in time, therefore a lot of people would rather try to sneak into groups and get carried."

Really? So, that's your way of justifying it. You actually think it's fine to sneak into a T6-9 group for a carry, as you're too damn lazy to put the effort into forming a party and learning the fight yourself. Considering you think that's ok, I don't really know what else to say there. It's just a real shame that people like this are in the game.

You then go onto claim watching a video is having experience...jesus. No, it isn't. Experience is exactly that, experiencing it. Watching a T9 video doesn't make you anymore experienced the same as me watching the 100m doesn't make me Usain Bolt.

[Tupsi]

You actually think it's fine to sneak

No where did I claim it was fine - You twisted it into that.

Why do you think people sneak in to begin with?

This totally says: "It's ok to sneak in." Right? Why do you think people sneak in? Majority of PFs are for experienced only, hence why people try to sneak in - I didn't say it was fine to sneak in.

As for experienced? Yes, watching a video technically gives you an experience as everything in FFXIV is scripted, meaning you at least have the experience of knowing what to expect, putting it into practice is a whole different ball game. Why do you think at minimum a lot of people want newer players to watch a video whether you agree or disagree? It's so you're not going in completely blind.

Cept that Doesn't count

So if for example I don't have DRG or any plans to play WAR/PLD/SMN/BLM and in the 3 farm runs I did I mostly seen gear for those and I don't greed it...I suddenly don't have the ability to farm T5 because I can't link a drop? My example was specifically the PFs that state: "Link your T5 drop." It's really not that hard to believe not everyone greeds on everything even if they can't use it

[Cessna]

So if for example I don't have DRG or any plans to play WAR/PLD/SMN/BLM and in the 3 farm runs I did I mostly seen gear for those and I don't greed it...I suddenly don't have the ability to farm T5 because I can't link a drop? My example was specifically the PFs that state: "Link your T5 drop." It's really not that hard to believe not everyone greeds on everything even if they can't use it

I didn't even comment on that, My sole focus of that post is on your comment about vids= experience.

[Sapphic]

It's not just players sneaking in and lieing, there's also players starting PF parties with no experience wanting kill xp members to carry them through also. Sometimes with 1 or 2 fails you are out. Funny how that never applies to the party maker

That second melee in the OPs post, if he had sent a tell to the party leader before and explained they werent sure about the final phase, maybe they could have explained to them, as the final phase in t6 is pretty easy to explain, maybe one wipe to show. But lieing gave himself a bad name to those who were involved.

To be blunt, if you join a kill PF party with no experience, you are wanting a carry. WHether it is reportable I don't know, as you agree to the rules set by the party and break them. Just like agreeing to loot rules then going against them which is reportable.

Players with no experience or minimal experience joining or starting kill parties in PF is why I don't bother anymore with PF parties. As 9/10 times they consist of players wanting to be carried.

Nope, many don't want to learn, they want to be carried by the rest for "easy shinies". From experience they usually the first ones to die, and the first to rage quit too

Note I said many, not all.

[TeganLaron]

Why do you think people sneak in?

For a carry, plain and simple. You can try and try to spin it differently all you want, but everyone has access to PF, they are more than welcome to join, or make their own, learning party. If you don't know the fight yet lie and claim you've killed before, you're looking for a carry.

I don't know how many more times I can explain that to you, so think I'll just mosey.

[Eijii]

I 1 shotted T7 only knowing the up to killing the 2nd add with an experienced PT. Watch videos and suck less.

[Taruranto]

Some people are forced to lie though, if you know the fight but don't have a static.

The problem with end-game fight is that since they are scripted, they can only be beated by a ground that it has perfectly memorized them.

[Sapphic]

Some people are forced to lie though, if you know the fight but don't have a static.

The problem with end-game fight is that since they are scripted, they can only be beated by a ground that it has perfectly memorized them.

No, they are NOT forced to lie whatsoever, they could easily send a PM and tell them their situation first. Or you know, form their own party and set their own rules. You may get a party that is stuck for a final member willing to give you a try and show your ability and knowledge of the fight.
Or, as some do, advertise their situation in PF and see what happens.

[Elim]

We sort of had that issue with pugging a whm for T6 wayy back. Our static whm was late which was odd for him. We didn't say they needed to have beaten it, but to be experienced up to the final phase at very least. The WHM we got died FOUR TIMES(or something around that number) to stupid things such as blighted bouquet and acid rain. On top of that she did very little healing if any at all. In the end we just let her eat the floor while I finished healing it. Healing boots dropped, which I already have, so she got them. She was rewarded for being terrible which was a shame imo. It was clear she didn't have any experience in it whatsoever.

[PrimeEvilPanda]

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I'm not sure I understand YOUr post. I didn't get Tupsi condoning the lying, but just explaining WHY people lie.

My mate is heavily in SCoB whilst I'm not. Last week he told me that they needed to fill a slot for a dps (he's in a static, but I'm sure a lot of statics will agree, some members will.not.show.up or they're late) and the monk they picked up said he had done the fight before - think this was T7. Halfway through the fight, they wiped. After some interrogation, Monk confessed he had never cleared and they booted him.

Apparently this happens a bit. I've heard only one or two lolhorror stories for him. But it's not uncommon.

SCoB seams effin hard though - so I can imagine the abbbssoooolute frustration a group gets with a pick up member who lies and then wastes an entire night.