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  1. #761
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    Ashkendor Zahirr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghishlain View Post
    We wipe on first attempt because half the people die immediately after post heart due to plumes. The PLD with 8K HP calls a wipe then jumps off the cliff. Wipe ensues (though I do my hardest to keep everyone alive anyway, much to the chagrin of two individuals, claiming that it would take longer just to kill Titan if we kept going this route)
    Eh yeah. If most of your DPS dies, that means they're all afflicted by the weakness debuff for a bit. With echo, a lot of people would rather just reset, get the extra 5% or whatever that you get out of echo, and go again.

    I know that's most of the problem I run into with PUG Ultima HM's is DPS not being able to survive certain phases. Titan doesn't have the hard DPS check that Ultima does, but the debuff still makes it take forever to kill him.
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  2. #762
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    Quote Originally Posted by IceSpear View Post
    We all hate "lag" now don't we...
    Having been on the receiving end of bad internet spikes during Titan EX, I can see it, but if you're getting hit by every 2nd set of plumes, I also question the "lag".

    Quote Originally Posted by Ashkendor View Post
    Eh yeah. If most of your DPS dies, that means they're all afflicted by the weakness debuff for a bit. With echo, a lot of people would rather just reset, get the extra 5% or whatever that you get out of echo, and go again.

    I know that's most of the problem I run into with PUG Ultima HM's is DPS not being able to survive certain phases. Titan doesn't have the hard DPS check that Ultima does, but the debuff still makes it take forever to kill him.
    I think for myself, it's more of the fact that I particularly enjoy the challenges associated with carrying the Titan HM group as a healer. Generally speaking, when Titan HM shows up, people die, a lot. lol. Probably why I'm stubborn as a mule in this regard (and partially my own fault) since I kept on healing regardless because I like watching a group of four down Titan HM

    In this particular case, we had two DPS, two tanks, and one heal left by the onset of P5. It's perfectly plausible to do it with this in a reasonable set if time (whether the reset + 10% would've helped, who knows), though we ended up spending more time since we wipe again anyway. ~Shrugs~ Ah well, hindsight is 20/20.

    Now, don't get me started in another Titan HM with a DRG using an i42 weapon and full AF equipment and didn't know the fight and two Zenith BRDs who couldn't dodge plumes, bombs, or landslides. That went to 30% Echo too and nothing I could do could help carry that, lol.
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  3. #763
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    Summer Rider
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    Thaumaturge Lv 50
    This horror story falls in the "I want to quit this dungeon, but if I stay I'll level".

    I'm on my SCH, doing the LL Roulette for the 2nd time of the day, hoping it will give me enough to level. And Dzemael Darkhold pops. Get into it and get the "one or more of the people are new". It's myself (SCH, SMN, MNK, and WAR). The WAR admit's that it's his first time, and asks for pointers. The SMN, and myself both try and give him some. Fight the mobs near the purple crystals so we avoid the Eye, etc. The dungeon goes slowly but we are making progress. Even though the WAR tended to stop before each group and just stand there looking at them. I still don't know why he would stop, but we all wait for him to engage so that we can engage.

    We make it to the first boss (Eye) and explain to fight in the crystals again. We also mention that the crystals will fade and we need to move to the next one, also there will be adds. So the first fight starts and goes ok, until the first adds join. From then on all I'm doing is healing. I'm not sure what everyone else is doing, but all I could do was heal. I think my pet even died and I had to swiftcast another. The crystal starts to fade. I pause to type "next" and run to the next crystal. The group follows only for almost all of them to get hit by the eye. I think the MNK died out in the middle. I try to position so that I'm sill in the crystal and can target him, but still he is out of range. We don't last long any way and our wipe.

    Someone asks what went wrong, and it's mentioned that we didn't move fast enough between the crystals. It's also mentioned, "we need to kill the adds". (Ouch, so that's why this fight seemed so hard from the healing point of view.) I'm actually ok with the wipe because it's the WAR's first time, so I'm expecting us to have some trouble. We re-do the fight this time everyone recognizes how it works and moves at the correct (or close to) the correct times. I do notice this time that the WAR was only pulling the eye to just inside the purple. This was giving the MNK a choice of fight in the purple or step out into the open. The MNK choose the later. He didn't die this time, and we clear this fight.

    I can't remember if the giant toads are before or after the 2nd boss. For this story they will be before. We make it to the 2nd boss with only wiping once to the giant toads b/c we pulled to many mobs at once. I end up dieing and forget that the SMN also has a raise. (Dumb mistake especially since I'm SCH). We release and come back. We make it to the 2nd boss and explain the fight. The SMN asks if there is anything they can do to help, and I say, maybe help heal. So we go into the fight and for the most part everyone is dodging the AOE's that they are able to. It actually goes down on our first try.

    We move on, and I start to notice that it appears that the MNK is face pulling the mobs ahead of the tank. So I'm starting to have to heal him fairly soon after we start each fight. Then the WAR has to fight to get the mobs off me. I ask if we can try letting the WAR pull to start the fights. I'm met with silence, and the MNK does the same thing. This time I decide, well you are only getting heals from the fairy now. And he does survive. But I'll confess I'm starting to think "Should I just abandon this group". I choose the high road and stick it out vs what I want to do.

    We get to the area with large room with two crystals in it and two packs of roaming skeletons. The WAR asks for advice, and we just tell him to pull mobs from the crystals and fight them in the center away from the crystals. Also to watch the wandering mobs and grab them separately. He says "ok" and then the MNK I think decides he has had enough. And runs to the first group of skeletons, face pulls them, and then runs to the 2nd group, and then runs over to a group by the crystals. I state "I'm letting him go" and the WAR and SMN both stop. We watch the MNK get slaughtered by the packs he has pulled. The SMN asks "What was the point of that?" and the MNK leaves. Doesn't offer any reply, just leaves. I state "Well that was easy" as by this point I'm wanting to be rid of the MNK.

    We immediately get a DRG that joins (hurray for there being an over supply of DPS). We make it all the way to the last boss and explain the fight to the WAR. I think we wiped on the first try but got it the 2nd time.

    Like I said, this was only a horror story in the sense that it's one of the few times I've been in a dungeon and wanted to quit. But we overcame it and I did get my level out of it.
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  4. #764
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghishlain View Post
    Having been on the receiving end of bad internet spikes during Titan EX, I can see it, but if you're getting hit by every 2nd set of plumes, I also question the "lag".
    Agreed. Once or twice I can totally see, but getting hit by everything... yeah. Learn to dodge, please. >.<


    Now, don't get me started in another Titan HM with a DRG using an i42 weapon and full AF equipment and didn't know the fight and two Zenith BRDs who couldn't dodge plumes, bombs, or landslides. That went to 30% Echo too and nothing I could do could help carry that, lol.
    I had a spectacularly bad one last night. My mantra for Trials Roulette is "please not titan" haha. So... as soon as I see it's Titan, I groan inwardly a bit and then start checking out my party to see how it's gonna go. I see that the other Scholar has just shy of 3200 hp; I wanted to facedesk. Not only was the other healer incredibly squishy, the entire party seemed to be magnetically attracted to Landslide and WotL. During one run, three DPS got knocked off before the heart phase and the other Scholar was dead. Titan is just seriously unforgiving. It's hard to carry that fight compared to Ifrit or even Garuda, mostly because of mechanics that completely remove people from the fight.

    We ended up vote abandoning because the other healer couldn't stay alive and I couldn't keep the DPS alive solo.
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    Last edited by Ashkendor; 07-04-2014 at 05:41 AM.

  5. #765
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    Violet Baudelaire
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    Dark Knight Lv 83
    Spamming Bray Normal yesterday to get the entire Battlemage set. A couple of runs had MRD as the tank. We never got very far.
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  6. #766
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia_Pond_Behemoth View Post
    Spamming Bray Normal yesterday to get the entire Battlemage set. A couple of runs had MRD as the tank. We never got very far.
    Same deal for me yesterday... MRD blames me for not being geared enough to do half pulls (I'm iLVL 81). Seven wipes and we finally finish.
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  7. #767
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    Veigas Shiffer
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    Omg I had my nightmare dungeons...as both DPS and Healer
    First as a DPS at cutter's cry (yes believe it or not) the healer was literally healing ONLY the tank...me and the other dps got hit but didn't got healed...result?we got killed and guess what? We got revived(by him) but NOT HEALED as a result...We left.
    Second as a Healer...on....guess what? Yes Brayflox
    Tank didn't use flash at all without mentioning that he was silent the whole thing. Both dps was utterly stupid pulling mobs first followed by the derp tank who didn't use flash..that was "delicious" we got wiped 5 times on the first boss ...I left -_-.
    The other at Haukke HM tank had terrible gear and was pulling everything at once...receiving MONSTER damage...me and my fairy wasn't able to heal him in time he started raging at the chat saying that I was bad and kicked me.....honestly...
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  8. #768
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    Ashkendor Zahirr
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    So today I queue for low-level roulette on my SCH and get Tam-Tara Deepcroft. No big deal, I get it a lot and I actually want the boots from there cause they're smexy. We start to run and before long I realize the DRG is pulling. The tank comments on it at one point, asking him if he means to tank. The DRG ignores him and keeps doing it, taking advantage of the fact that Eos heals automatically. I asked him twice to please let the tank do his job as the tank was new-ish (level 30 or so) and was trying his best. He was marking mobs and generally doing a pretty good job but this guy couldn't be bothered to wait. Seriously, I don't get it. Why?

    Eventually, I ended up putting Eos away and just focus healing the tank. If the THM got hit I'd heal them (they weren't face pulling on purpose) but the DRG got no heals from me. Sure enough, he either didn't notice or didn't care, got in over his head, and I let him die. He came back without a word. When we got to the altar with the big pull at it, he ran into the room again and again I didn't heal him. Eventually the tank got aggro off him on most of the mobs, but he sat for the rest of the pull barely alive. I asked him again to please let the tank do his job and told him the reason Eos was away and I was no longer DPS'ing was because he kept pulling mobs.

    He replied to me: "Other people need healing too, you know." I told him that if he wasn't purposely pulling all the mobs instead of letting the tank do it I'd be happy to heal him. He ragequit without a word as soon as the last mob died. Good riddance. I apologized for the drama (the tank told me not to worry as he felt the guy was a douche anyway) and resummoned Eos. We got another DPS (a much more agreeable one at that) within about 1-2 minutes and finished the dungeon. End result? Two commendations.

    Not so much a horror story as an amusing anecdote, I suppose. :3
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    Last edited by Ashkendor; 07-10-2014 at 06:12 AM.

  9. #769
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    Lecroia Furinax
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    Gilgamesh
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    Conjurer Lv 80
    Queued into Stone Vigil HM on the second boss. After killing that boss, our group reassembled and went on the last leg towards the endboss ... and we must have died five or six times on the final pull of the three Jura Aevis mobs outside. Our poor Warrior tank, while decently geared for the instance, apparently had no idea what his Wrath was used for and felt that using CDs was against his religious beliefs or something. It got to the point where one of the DPS was suggesting sacrificial pulls to split the mobs before we finally managed to down the pack, and that was only with me tearing aggro on the mobs and healing myself like mad.
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  10. #770
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    Darkmoon Vael
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    Cerberus
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    Astrologian Lv 60
    So Stone Vigil HM in roulette, ended up with a mouthy pre-made of 3 raiders. Things start off really well with the 3 of them running off without protect and stoneskin. Told them there is no point in having a healer in the group if they run off without buffs, to which they decided the best course of action was to let the insults fly. Onto the pulls, tank overpulling, not using cooldowns effectively, had to resort to spamming cure 2 a lot, something i have not had to do in a long long time. First boss, adds not handled properly, boss get all the buffs from them being killed too close, all the group eating swinge all the time. So it turns out this mouthy, elite raiding group has no clue about this dungeon at all O.o.

    So very bad pulls to the second boss, and the second boss is a disaster, 2 raises needed and adds not being killed but we get there. Started rebuffing people, but guess what, the tank has run off to pull 2 jura aevis, the 2 sahagin style water drakes and 2 more enemies. Tank died before i knew what was happening, so suggested they may want to wait for the healer next time. Drag them through to the last boss, where these lively people state in chat they have an FC healer for the last boss and kick me!

    TL;DR Elite raiders who can not run a dungeon, get carried by a healer, the admit to kicking them for an FC healer, got to love it
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    Last edited by DarkmoonVael; 07-11-2014 at 05:33 PM.

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