Frontlines and Wolf`s Den - A flawed desing doomed to fail.

[Tridus1x]

I agree with the OP.

Furthermore, I am baffled at the amount of people that are okay with letting friends get broken up just because they did PVP together. If SE did the same thing to coil groups, I doubt they would be singing the same song.

Also, like others suggested, reduce the grind and focus on the competitive part of PVP. People like to brag in PVP, and having similar skill level teams fight each other only improves the experience.

[Dano]

I agree with the OP.

Furthermore, I am baffled at the amount of people that are okay with letting friends get broken up just because they did PVP together. If SE did the same thing to coil groups, I doubt they would be singing the same song.

Also, like others suggested, reduce the grind and focus on the competitive part of PVP. People like to brag in PVP, and having similar skill level teams fight each other only improves the experience.

that would be easily bypassed by rolling into the same grand company together, not a big deal. No serious end gamer will be deterred by this small change.

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

that would be easily bypassed by rolling into the same grand company together, not a big deal. No serious end gamer will be deterred by this small change.

Losing 300 hours of gameplay is a "small change".

This people, i swear xD!

[Volsung]

Aside from the grand company alignment thing, frontlines
actually sounds fun to me.

[HeroSamson]

Have you fought in frontline yet?

NO you haven't why make a thread trying to predict the future, I say let them do what they want and trust me if it doesn't fail you would be the laughing stock of the forums.

[Sapphic]

As others have stated, wait until it gets released or all information regarding it is released before jumping to conclusions based on minimal information.

Then jumping to a false conclusion stating the "will probably put it back to 30 days to change GC again" Where do you get that from?

Also it's Design, not Desing

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

As others have stated, wait until it gets released or all information regarding it is released before jumping to conclusions based on minimal information.

Then jumping to a false conclusion stating the "will probably put it back to 30 days to change GC again" Where do you get that from?

Also it's Design, not Desing

This has nothing to do with playing the Frontlines, is not about the Frontlines as a battle arena. Is about the GC limiations and the PvP rank.


We already know what happens to the PvP rank if a player changes from GC, we already know Frontlines will requiere a lot of players to change from GC. There is the problem. The problem is in two already existing systems we all know, not in the Frontlines, Frontlines will just be a victim of these flaws just as Wolf`s den was. (and we called that one like 2 months before release, we didn`t mistake).

Devs already stated that their shortening the lockout to 15 days just because of the launch of the Frontlines. Which means, it will probably return to 30 after one month has passed at max. And even if it stay in 15 days, is still too much. GC lockout should be at max, 7 days.

And thank you, my english is not the best since im not a native speaker... I always forget about saying that before doing this kind of threads lol.

[Sapphic]

This has nothing to do with playing the Frontlines, is not about the Frontlines as a battle arena. Is about the GC limiations and the PvP rank.

And this is about you jumping to conclusions without the full facts. Also you skipped the part of me calling you on the "will switch back to 30 days to change GC".

[IveraIvalice]

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You make some good points but I can't agree with your close minded approach to those that don't share your opinion. Simply calling those that don't agree with you "white knight" makes it hard to value your opinion. This is a discussion, listen to others if you want to be listened to, stop shuting people out and calling them white knight.

Again there are valid points in your argument that I agree with such as exp and wolf marks take too long to get and the grind turns people off. However I don't believe GCs should be changeable as easily as you want it to be. To me it's a FF game first and an mmo second, and I think that decisions you make should carry some weight. If they are lowering it from 30 days then cool but 7 days seems too little to me.

P.s. I can tell English isn't your first language. The word your looking for is "design", not "desing"

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

And this is about you jumping to conclusions without the full facts. Also you skipped the part of me calling you on the "will switch back to 30 days to change GC".

Facts:

-Frontlines require you to be in the same GC than your friends in order to play with them.
-Moving from one GC to the other Resets your PvP rank and makes it imposible to use high rank PvP gear till you level up that GC rank or return (1 month after the lockout) to the older GC (which will make imposible to play with fridnds)
-Frontlines implimented with such a flawled design is doomed to fail because players truly interested in PvP don`t want see their time spent being send to waste, regular PvE players will soon leave this activity since is PvP and FC will find hard to properly organize groups for this activity having to ask members to change their GC knowing they will only be able to do it once a month and in the best of the cases, each 15 days.
-The Frontlines implementation as stands now punish any PvP player if it wants to play with friends, it encourages the solo gameplay in a supposedly, group activity.

All those are FACTS. Are things that are happening and will happen. Any player with a PvP rank of 40 has already invested, in the legit way at least 400 hours of gameplay (even fixed matches are arround 100 hours) and will be forced to start all over and not be able to use their hard earned gear in PvP because they don`t have a rank high enough so they will literaly have to chose. 1 month i play Frontlines with my friends, the other month i play with my PvP gear. That makes tremendous sense. Punishing players for, you know, playing and liking some kind of content.

Wonder how willing you be to the idea of for example, seeing a Third Coil of Bahamut having these restrictions.

-No high allagan gear or allagan gear.
-Only can be played with members of YOUR GC.
-If you participate in the Third Coil you lose all your tracked progress in both, the second and the first, meaning you have to beat each turn in order again to help friends out, even more, returning to them means you lose all your progress in the third.

That makes sense? No? well, is easy, content should not be made to be excluding of each other. At no point player should see their progress reverted and their skills punished by turning into other activity. Right now, for PvP players, doing Frontlines will mean in several cases that these players will see their progress punished and Frontlines and Wolf`s Den will become mutually excludent for each other.

Another example. Imagine if tomorrow SE made a change so, if you change your class to a DoH/DoL you cant go back to a DoW/DoM for 15 days and you lose all your level and you can`t equip your gear even if you already earned it.

Thats the logic behind this kind of implementation. These are the FACTS.

You make some good points but I can't agree with your close minded approach to those that don't share your opinion. Simply calling those that don't agree with you "white knight" makes it hard to value your opinion. This is a discussion, listen to others if you want to be listened to, stop shuting people out and calling them white knight.

Again there are valid points in your argument that I agree with such as exp and wolf marks take too long to get and the grind turns people off. However I don't believe GCs should be changeable as easily as you want it to be. To me it's a FF game first and an mmo second, and I think that decisions you make should carry some weight. If they are lowering it from 30 days then cool but 7 days seems too little to me.

If i see good arguments i just argument back, a good argument is not perfect, thats what makes it an argument and not a dogma. Then if i see people im in doubt if they are just White Knighting (that would be, for example, calling a small change the fact some players will potentially lose +500 hours of gameplay) then i try to keep a debate as long as i dont confirm that they are in fact just white knights, for what i just proceed to ignore.

I even have one "opposing" answer in the OP where someone mentions how favorable for solo players this implemantation is. Im completely open to other`s opinion unless they are completely bad intentioned or are just white knighting, which is at the end of the day just trolling.

You know, having a long lockout will not be a problem if for example. Instead of just having 1 PvP rank active (for example right now, Twin Adder) i just have the 3 GC PvP ranks ALWAYS activated. For example.

Maelstrom: PvP Rank lv.4
Twin Adder: PvP Rank lv.40
Immortal Flames: PvP Rank lv.10

Lets say those are my PvP ranks and im, because for Frontlines all my friends accorded to play for the Maelstrom, in the Maelstrom. Ok, i will deal with the 30 or 15 days lockout, but let me use my PvP gear of lv 40 rank. I already reached it, i already got the marks, i already endured 300 hours of gameplay. Ok, i give it, 15 days lockout, why not. But not being able to use my PvP gear during those 15 days till i rise my PvP rank for the Maelstrom to 40 is... Ridiculous to say the least.

Players should not be punished for chosing to play with friends nor to play certain content. Thats whats happening right now and thats what the whole issue is.