Frontlines and Wolf`s Den - A flawed desing doomed to fail.

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

First of all, do some research. They have already stated they will be reducing the cooldown for leaving and rejoining a gc. Secondly, you can still play with your friends. Even if in different GCs you can still que. They won't be in your party but playing against them is just as fun. The new front lines offers completely new gear and the old gear was only pretty good for morale which is absolutely useless in frontliness so I don't see why wearing it matters either way. You can still use it in wolves den but starting over seems the best way to balance it
I don't consider logic to be white knighting sir. And you're drowning yourself in a glass of water. You're making it sound as if your only option is change gcs or gtfo. You can stay in your gc, have your friends que and still play with them. Or you can change and wait. Just like we have to wait to get coil gear every week, just how we have to grind to 50. You're "give it to me" now mentality is rather amusing.

As i said, proof you are not even reading. 15 days (which is the reduction being made for the implemantation only, its probably going to return to 30 after a week or two) is not enough and still limiting. How about doing Coil once every 15 days? haha...

And if i want to play with my friends IN my party?! How terrible! im asking for a MMORPG to let me play with my friends in MY party?! the world is crazy!

Of course im asking for SE to "give it to me" when we talk about systems to play with other people. Im not asking for granted gear, instalevel 50 or a 90% atma drop chances after each fate. Im asking to be able to play with friends as i WANT without having to lose or sacrifice anything because, you know, the whole point of playing and MMORPG is playing with friends.

And you are just white knighting. End of the discussion with you.

[Kuwagami]

P.S. The armor in my opinion is not even that important. While morale is nice, I've joined teams where we've beaten geared pvp people with regular gear. It's how you play the game. This game isn't heavily dependent on gear anyways. Usually skill plays a far bigger part.

this is just so wrong. I did a PvP match with friends for the fun, with people having i105 PvE to i70 PvP on my side, i55-70 on the other side and their tank in i100 for all but the weapon.

We got ravaged in 10 seconds. 600-900 overpowers stomping us to the ground, 400-500 tomahawks.... He soloed us with nothing to be done. He didn't even need any heals

There is no way a non-geared team can beat a geared team in the den. If they do, the enemy team was afk.

[Codek]

Can we start a pot where people place money into it for every "XXX is doomed to fail" topic and then give the pot to the one who gets it right?

Also, can I hold the pot till the day that happens?


plz...

[KenzieLynch]

I'm hyped for Frontlines, and i'm primarily a solo player so I am glad you can que solo for it without being disadvantaged :-)

[Kimikryo]

SOMEBODY IS NOT THE SAME OPINION AS I AM! ENOUGH TALKING WITH YOU

*stomps feet crying*

I WANT MY CANDY NOW

*stomps feet screaming*

I SAID NOW!


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[Traek]

Can we start a pot where people place money into it for every "XXX is doomed to fail" topic and then give the pot to the one who gets it right?

People were giving the similar feedback on Wolve's Den back before its release, and they/we were right. PvP is already a touchy subject in a Final Fantasy game, SE really needs all the help they can get on this one. I've essentially ignored PvP because of how its turned out thus far, and I'd love for them to succeed in Frontlines. I've actually enjoyed many a PvP in other games.

SOMEBODY IS NOT THE SAME OPINION AS I AM! ENOUGH TALKING WITH YOU

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OP brought up some valid concerns, that others share as well. They are being trivialized by some, but PvP needs all the help it can get to launch well in this game. Limiting actions of people is going to cause it to be ignored again, and makes no sense on SE's part. You however aren't contributing anything, and are just spewing inflammatory text. You are coming off worse to me, then how you perceive the OP.

[Kat_Manx]

Did everyone forget morale won't work in Frontlines? So PvP gear isn't needed. x.X

Yeah, the Wolves' Den is bad tho, but I think it'll just be forgotten. No job restrictions on Frontlines should make the queues so fast when you don't have to wait for tanks or healers, plus the rewards of soldiery, mythology and alexandrites might make people actually do it. Sure it's also sad you can't fight with friends affiliated with another GC than you but I can live with it. I'll fight against them, instead. It's still fun, yes?

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

*writting a properly devolped well thought awnser is hard*

If tomorrow SE announced that for players to form party is now needed to pay 2 USD monthly, Rosilee would probably come to the forums saying anyone against it is "asking for things to be given". White knights are not rational, not a single rational answer will change their minds, that why the discussion with he/she is over.

If someone presented a good thought and presented answer, that would recipe a respectufull and equally good thought and presented response, but since thats not the case for most of this thread posts. Well, i can`t do much more.

Look at this for example:

I'm hyped for Frontlines, and i'm primarily a solo player so I am glad you can que solo for it without being disadvantaged :-)

He is putting a good point. Solo players will have not a single disadvantage with how the system is going to be implemented. Thats a good point in favor of SE actual position and desing choice. Now, from this kind of good post one can discuss seriously, with well thought ideas being properly presented. Not just pure white knighting because SE is the only good and does good to me.

And over this point, i could only argue. Solo players are a minority, even if we don`t know the exact numbers, we know most players play raid content, party content and group content in general. So, while being more than fair for a solo player, lets say, for a FC of 50 members which are spread across all 3 diferent GCs and now have to change and some of them maybe lose progress, hours of game, just to play with their friends inside their FC this new content... That is terrible.

To put an example for PvE players that doesnt know much of PvP: Is something like this. Everytime a player in SBCoB wants to help their FC mates in the BCoB he loses all his tracked progress through the SBCoB, cant return to the SBCoB for 30 days and will not be able to use his High Allagan gear set in the BCoB. Sounds fun? fair? practical? logic? player friendly?

Did everyone forget morale won't work in Frontlines? So PvP gear isn't needed. x.X

Yeah, the Wolves' Den is bad tho, but I think it'll just be forgotten. No job restrictions on Frontlines should make the queues so fast when you don't have to wait for tanks or healers, plus the rewards of soldiery, mythology and alexandrites might make people actually do it. Sure it's also sad you can't fight with friends affiliated with another GC than you but I can live with it. I'll fight against them, instead. It's still fun, yes?

Oh we know. But still isn`t fair to see your PvP rank (which is a grind as long as your gear to get) reseted because you are forced to change GC. Besides, the post has 2 main purposes:

1.- Adress how restrictive and damaging is the Frontlines accesibility for PvP players and organized parties.
2.- Adress how long and booring is the Wolf`s Den grind and how it killed PvP, forcing players to do fixed matches and disencouraging players to participate from it.

The link between both issues is the PvP Rank.

[RegnumMagik]

So you people are telling me, people who just so happen picked the same GC as their friends are able to play together. And for people who picked the different GC are being isolated to solo queue is a great idea?

And before you tell me I can change to any GC, I don't want to lose my PVP ranks. The grind is already ridiculously long, and I don't want to lose my progress. Should I be punished because I play the game legitly? Oh yes let's do that.

[Princess_Rosilee]

this is just so wrong. I did a PvP match with friends for the fun, with people having i105 PvE to i70 PvP on my side, i55-70 on the other side and their tank in i100 for all but the weapon.

We got ravaged in 10 seconds. 600-900 overpowers stomping us to the ground, 400-500 tomahawks.... He soloed us with nothing to be done. He didn't even need any heals

There is no way a non-geared team can beat a geared team in the den. If they do, the enemy team was afk.

I wouldn't say that considering we've done it. With useful sleeping aoe and stun locks it's not that hard. It's all about your party make-up.
I've done it, which is why I say it's possible. I only speak from experience sir.