Regarding the Atmas, yes, another one of those.

[Grembo]

The point that the OP, and several responding - even in opposition to her - are making here is that the content isn't fun.

So why do it? Especially for multiple characters.

Novus for your main is a reasonable goal but are the Levi & Soldiery weapons not good enough for your alts? You don't need Animus/Novus to progress in this game at all right now, can't see why anyone would force themselves through content that they apparently hate when there are plenty of alternatives out there.

Guess it's dat glow right?

EDIT: Reading back on the OP, their problem seems to lie with the FATE system. Still struggling to see why anyone would feel they have to force themselves to do that content if they dislike it so much :/

[Renik]

Another atma rant when this game has bigger problems, there must be like 3 more threads like this one which are liked by the same 5 guys in the next 10 pages.

I enjoy atma farming, i dislike tome grinding and in expect SE to do more things like atmas, if you don't like them just get another weapon, all of them are the same, yes that's a bigger problem, gear makes no difference in this game, so why do ppl work on relics if they dislike fate grinding?

[KingOfAbyss]

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Heya Codek ^^

Nice charts you've been making there, kudos!

9 fights
PvP grinds (I am a PvE person, even if the glamour is tempting, I don't want to 'grind' for it, like wintrading..)
Sightseeing log (load of .. very disappointed, so nty)
Master books for crafts (Waiting for 2.3 since new stuff for DoH and DoL will come, and then I'll continue them)
Achievements (working on them, GC one almost complete, ready to switch allegiance)
More Achievements (More working on them ^^)
Collection of gear sets for all classes (at least the primal weapons because they generally look cool) - nty I am waiting for CT2 to show better stuff that what the looks we got so far.
Chocobo leveling (waiting for chocobo stables in one week! - That is one thing i'm waiting for)
Housing/Gardening (our FC got it already - gardening a little bit, not that interested)
Become a Gilionaire (In time, I'm in no rush)
Role Play Theater (I RP on Table à la Old D&D, not in MMOs)
Recruiting worshipers (lol people call me king cause it's been like that for ages, but i'll never pretend to be one, as a god is out of proportions hehe)
Try to take over Eorzea (hmmm nty, Eorzea will take care of itself plenty, hopefully with the expansion and new classes, cause that's what I dig in games)

So yes, even if there's a little bit of everything left to do, I think a break for a week until next patch is a good thing, after playing non-stop since it's Launch.

Have fun!

[ShinkuTachi]

[Welsper59]

But I like the game, and I want my relic weapon, do I deserve to be put killing level 5 sprites with fast blade + savage blade for the next 100 hours because of that?

If that's the way the devs of the game choose to do it, then yes. I don't know about you, but I'd take the current means than rely on Atma to drop from raids with the equal chance that Levi mirrors have. Let's see you folks QQ moar on that.

[Tsuga]

Another atma rant when this game has bigger problems

These "bigger problems" and the poor quality of the atma grind are not mutually exclusive.

So why do it? Especially for multiple characters.

Novus for your main is a reasonable goal but are the Levi & Soldiery weapons not good enough for your alts? You don't need Animus/Novus to progress in this game at all right now, can't see why anyone would force themselves through content that they apparently hate when there are plenty of alternatives out there.

I don't do it frequently. Like I've been saying - I don't grind the content because the content is not enjoyable.

I feel like your question can be reversed on the devs. If the content isn't fun, why implement it? In this case the point is clear, it was to get us into lowbie areas to help PS4 players with FATES, and to draw the high level content out. My point is that content can be drawn out in more potentially fun, challenging, and most of all equally obtainable ways, and that I would prefer that future high level (or even low level) content not be reduced to mindless grinding and dice rolls.

note - I realize that my saying that the content "isn't fun" is subjective, but I have not talked to a single in-game or irl friend who has enjoyed it, and most of them have been straight up frustrated by it to the point of ignoring the content all together, which suggests to me that I am in the majority regarding those who dislike it. The closest to praise that I've heard for it is that it's not nearly as terrible as the Novus grind, which is hardly praise at all if you ask me.

[Giantbane]

I enjoyed the Atma grind far more than the process of grinding myth for Animus/Novus, but you won't find me complaining about it except in response to other complaints.

Different strokes for different folks. I've obtained 3 full sets of Atma now.

The novus balances this much better. Fates for those who choose it, daily quest for those who don't have the time to grind but don't mind waiting longer IRL to get it, and myth for the hardcore grind folks.

Having a stage of advancement where your only option is an absymal drop rate that will vary wildly from player to player is a problem.

[Worm]

I don't mind grinding, at all, I could spend another thousand hours playing this game.

Well just grind it out.

[ShinkuTachi]

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Or you could be in a noisy minority!

Fact is, SE has the data, we do not. So just stick to stating what you don't like and the reasons, while keeping the "majority this and minority that" nonsense out of your post.

[Welsper59]

These "bigger problems" and the poor quality of the atma grind are not mutually exclusive.



I don't do it frequently. Like I've been saying - I don't grind the content because the content is not enjoyable.

I feel like your question can be reversed on the devs. If the content isn't fun, why implement it? In this case the point is clear, it was to get us into lowbie areas to help PS4 players with FATES, and to draw the high level content out. My point is that content can be drawn out in more potentially fun, challenging, and most of all equally obtainable ways, and that I would prefer that future high level (or even low level) content not be reduced to mindless grinding and dice rolls.

note - I realize that my saying that the content "isn't fun" is subjective, but I have not talked to a single in-game or irl friend who has enjoyed it, and most of them have been straight up frustrated by it to the point of ignoring the content all together, which suggests to me that I am in the majority regarding those who dislike it. The closest to praise that I've heard for it is that it's not nearly as terrible as the Novus grind, which is hardly praise at all if you ask me.

The devs have clear reasons to make things require RNG with low chances, which are usually just one piece of the puzzle. Often, the first reason is because of gating. Before going into that, you have to also include the reason of opportunity. Is this intended to be something that everyone can do? Would it be too much to ask of the intended target players to continue raiding for these random drop goods, given that they just finished raids and grinding myth tomes (which originally were the Soldiery equiv, with less options)? Do we want this to be their "go-to" option, like the first 2 relic stages, instead of doing things like Levi Ex or Coil turns?

Then there's the standard reasons of time, lore, etc. All of this cannot be looked at separately, but rather as a whole. It has to blend and fit together for it work. You don't have to be a game dev in order to figure out what is a necessary evil and what isn't. Sometimes they might take it too far, that's normal... we're all human, we make mistakes. Atma, given how it's done, isn't taking it too far. Especially if you include a potential design intent that they weren't doing so with the intent that people get multiple Atma/Animus/Novus/etc relics, but will allow you the chance to do it if you choose to do so.