Regarding the Atmas, yes, another one of those.

[Gallus]

I repeat, I love this game. Dungeons are fun, primals are fun, raids are fun.. and they put you doing level 5 fates dozens of hours... My point is...someone complaining about "grinding myths" is silly and is going to quit this game anyway, because let's face it, "grinding myths" can be directly translated into playing the game, because pretty much everything in this game is a source of Mythologies, so at the end of the day, if someone claims quitting because of "myth grind" the real truth is that person is quitting because he doesn't like the game as much as he thinks he does, because in order to myth grind SE is basically telling you: "JUST PLAY THE GAME".
But the Atmas is another story. You have a lot of fun content out there, and SE tells you instead: wanna know what? You'll have to stop doing all that for the next 100 hours because we've decided that killing level 3 flans with blizzards is more fun and will get you more engaged!

[A_Magical_Unicorn_Rider]

Clear typo because
1) Even with the typo what you are claiming they stated doesn't line up.
2) They corrected their post moments later.



Oops! You went and made a fool of yourself. Again, very clear you are not interested in real discussion you just want to derail the topic. I'm not going to grant you that further, good day.

You you clearly pointed out the point I'm making and I'm the fool? GG.


As far as to the OP: Why not start another "X or riot" thread? Worked for the whole "marriage" issue/fantasia issue. They might even make it to where you have to pay for atmas though. And then this game just turns into a P2W.

[Heavy01Mk2]

was bored on the ride home, wanted to spark some flares

if i had flares, i'd definitely would spark you up.

[Tsuga]

You you clearly pointed out the point I'm making and I'm the fool? GG.


As far as to the OP: Why not start another "X or riot" thread? Worked for the whole "marriage" issue/fantasia issue. They might even make it to where you have to pay for atmas though. And then this game just turns into a P2W.

I'm confused, what exactly are you upset about?

Unless I've missed something nobody's asking for easy atmas. The op hasn't even asked that the atma grind be changed as far as I can see. If nothing else we're pointing out that the atma grind is not fun for many, if not most people who are participating or have participated in it, and we are asking that SE please not follow a similar pattern with future high level content.

[KingOfAbyss]

They don't even need to quit, there is literally 1000's of hours of alternative content that can be completed instead of choosing to farm atma's. Clearly the content must be rewarding if so many people choose to gather atma's over anything else.

Heh? 1000's of hours huh.. guess i'm close to it: All 19 job/classes capped, at Titan Ex and Turn 5 of coil. That leaves me what.. hmm.. 9 fights?

*I'm on Novus quest btw.

[Codek]

Heh? 1000's of hours huh.. guess i'm close to it: All 19 job/classes capped, at Titan Ex and Turn 5 of coil. That leaves me what.. hmm.. 9 fights?

*I'm on Novus quest btw.

9 fights
PvP grinds
Sightseeing log
Master books for crafts
Achievements
More Achievements
Collection of gear sets for all classes (at least the primal weapons because they generally look cool)
Chocobo leveling
Housing/Gardening
Become a Gilionaire
Role Play Theater
Recruiting worshipers
Try to take over Eorzea

And that's just to make it to next weeks patch!

[Orophin]

I think the issue is people approach the whole upgraded relic thing like it's the ONLY thing in the game to do. I'll just go ahead and preface this with - yes, I do participate in Second Coil - so maybe my opinion doesn't hold as much merit on the subject.

I think it took me three weeks to get all of my atma together while I was seeing posts on Reddit that people had it within a few days. Last week I finished my Animus quest and started my Novus quest, and I was averaging about a book per week for the Animus since I was doing the majority of my Myth grinding on the weekend. I've had an i110 weapon from Coil for three weeks now.

I guess I've had enough varied content to do that my life didn't revolve around grinding out atmas or myth everyday because I didn't feel like it was the only thing to strive for, just an alternative. I think had people taken a more casual approach to it (like I feel it was designed to be, even though Yoshi-P was a bit surprised at how many people DIDN'T have an Animus prior to 2.25) that they wouldn't be so butthurt over it. Everyone has different circumstances though, and maybe the upgraded relic actually is the most some people can strive for.

Also, I think the main point I took from the OP was they don't like fighting synced down to level 3.

[Vahlnir]

I think the issue is people approach the whole upgraded relic thing like it's the ONLY thing in the game to do.

This is in my opinion 99% of the problem. The Atma portion of the relic quest is the worst part, not really a question for me...but from the beginning it's all what people make it. They designed it in a way that it would take time, so why not go about it casually?

[Tsuga]

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I do the atma grind during beastmen dailies and jump into FATEs as they pop when I'm in the area. I occasionally grind FATEs for an hour or two if one of my friends wants to. That said I haven't had a single atma drop since I used to grind them for hours when the content was new. If the quest were designed to be done on the side then apparently the devs don't expect me to finish collecting my atmas for another 20 months, because I'm only at two so far and took a month break in May. Obviously this isn't the case, but it points out the ultimate flaw of the RNG - what may take one person five days can take another five years. It's a dice roll, and in this case there are twelve of them.

Even if I was one of the lucky ones who got the drops quickly that doesn't make the content any more fun, unique, or interesting. It's a grind of old content for the sake of forcing players into low level areas and drawing out the relic quest progression through RNG. That is not compelling, or challenging - unless you consider staying awake a challenge.

I have plenty of other stuff that I can do in the game, and I enjoy doing it. There is content that is fun, difficult, and rewarding, but that doesn't excuse the atma grind, and I don't think that it's unfair to ask for more compelling content as means of roadblocking progression in the future.

[KenzieLynch]

Personally I liked the Atma quest, and I would welcome more content like it.