DPS meters and why they're necessary

[Malric]

Like I said though... we can argue about the philosophy of it until the end of time.

Those that think they need DPS meters to improve are not going to change their mentality.

Those of us that think they are a crutch for people that are socially weak and they poison the game are not going to change our stance.

In the end, our arguments don't matter.

SE is the judge, jury and executioner on this matter.

This is not a democracy, it's a game that is run by a company that is essentially all of the players dictator.

Lord Master SE has decided they do not want them in their game.

So the choices are:

1) Accept it, move on, learn to improve without a crutch.
2) Deny it, use them anyway and risk being banned.
3) Leave and play a game where they are welcomed.

Those are the options SE has given you.

No amount of QQing why you can't play a game without one is going to change that.

If they cared about whether you leave over this they wouldn't ban you for it.

[nyyyyy]

Anecdotal evidence isn't valid.

The problem is that your argumentation is based on nothing. If the fact that it isnt part of the game is an argument why it shouldnt be then I hope to never see you on the feedback forums, complaining about X or Y not being changed or adjusted. After all, they arent part of the game for a reason as well right?

[nyyyyy]

that are socially weak

This is rather amusing. Isnt it someone like you who perfectly resembles this description? After all, youre going to let some random on the internet tell you that youre a bad player based on a number that doesnt take balancing, current state of the game or specific encounter into consideration.

Seems like you cant swallow the fact someone calling you out in case of lackluster performance. Let alone that someone telling you that "you are doing fine" does not automatically mean that you are. At the end of the day you might always get carried, which sure as hell doesnt make it a group effort. If makes you a handicap.

[Exstal]

The problem is that your argumentation is based on nothing. If the fact that it isnt part of the game is an argument why it shouldnt be then I hope to never see you on the feedback forums, complaining about X or Y could be changed or adjusted.

My mistake, it wasn't reply to your post. It was supposed to be for Malric. What works for him works for him. One person is not equal to all people.

edit: I fixed it

[Malric]

So, do I really have to bring up the most commercially successful MMO in the history of gaming? Which had a vast amount of different DMG meters and addons?

Oh please do, also bring up how when the game began there were no meters and it rose to be the most successful MMO in history.

How the increasing people leaving and the decline in end game play pretty
much started once DPS meters dominated the game.

How this caused them to constantly change character classes costing them millions in development and led to them removing choice from character design to reduce the number of people that can't hack it in end game play.

How since then, the game has lost over 80% of it's world players outside China and they couldn't maintain their game without bots/gold farmers.

How the game is turning cash shop in desperation, allowing people to buy level cap and allowing those left to multibox 10+ accounts to keep enough subs to stay in business.

[SeraviEdalborez]

Or you know you always have the option of helping them learn.
I mean granted, I know there are many without tolerance for people learning... I'm just saying...

I'd love to help people outside of my circle, but they don't listen. They insist they are doing the right thing, and to not to tell them how to play their job when they are clearly not playing to their best. Because as always people in this game care more about their feelings than self-improvement.

[Malric]

Seems like you cant swallow the fact someone calling you out in case of lackluster performance. Let alone that someone telling you that "you are doing fine" does not automatically mean that you are. At the end of the day you might always get carried, which sure as hell doesnt make it a group effort. If makes you a handicap.

I know you assume but just FYI...
I've never been kicked out of a party for bad DPS or any other reason.

Even in WoW and Aion when people posted DPS meters I was always high on them and often on top.

I'm sorry you lack the skills to be good at a game without addons.

However I've been good at games since the Atari and have topped MMO's since they were text based MUDs.

Like I said personally I think people that need them are just weak and lack basic skills to self evaluate so they need something to do it for them.

Sorry if that hurts your ego but it don't change that SE agrees more with my stance than yours.

[Malric]

I'd love to help people outside of my circle, but they don't listen. They insist they are doing the right thing, and to not to tell them how to play their job when they are clearly not playing to their best. Because as always people in this game care more about their feelings than self-improvement.

You say "they" like you imply everyone outside your circle...
I'm sure many of the people on your side in here are outside your circle.
Are you saying those here agreeing with your position care more about their feelings.
Because surely these people aren't all in your circle.

And they think they're the top of the game.

[SeraviEdalborez]

There is no functional difference to me. I see what I encounter. And I see a lot of prideful players who aren't as good as they could be.

Not even saying I/people I know are the best. I know we're not. But we care about self-improvement and take criticism. Or otherwise put our own time/effort into learning and applying The Rotations, be that from guides or other people we know to be good.

I offer to help any wayward DPS I see in roulettes, but it is very rare that they take my advice. Often they don't have key skills even on their hotbar (DRGs lacking Heavy Thrust, BLMs lacking Fire 1).

[Malric]

Seems like you cant swallow the fact someone calling you out in case of lackluster performance. Let alone that someone telling you that "you are doing fine" does not automatically mean that you are. At the end of the day you might always get carried, which sure as hell doesn't make it a group effort. If makes you a handicap.

Oh and just FYI, I most commonly play a healer... and I'm a damn good healer too.
I've saved parties and shown more people how to complete content that I could even count.

I've saved groups as a SMN with things like rezing and not dying MANY times. You don't need a DPS meter to see that.

I've tanked as a WAR and know I also did more damage than the DPS... So what!

I'd rather carry people and try to teach them (even if they don't learn) than be a douche and kick them because bottomed a meter.

I don't need a meter, I can see when people aren't doing their job.

Sounds to me like you're more of a handicap here than me.