Yoshi-P got it wrong. The mind of a win trader and a solution to win trading

[Urielparadox]

I have like 5 pvp wins and 10 losses and I have fought a whole party of animal gear people so no way this is true.

[QUOTE=VinhSama;2224156]Actually, assuming it's 50/50 win/loss it's 2842 games to go from 0-40. A much lower number of 1895 wins if 100% success rate. Meaning if you're bad, it's flip of the coin as to whether you'll win. If you're good at pvp, you're more likely to win, meaning less games. It takes exactly 116700 exp to go from 0-40. You get 60 exp per win, 20 per loss. This is basic math.[quote] I get 100 for win and 10 for loss so nice random 60/20 number there.

1) Why would I que all 3 categories if I don't have an pvp gear that's just suicide, so lets restrict to no morale gear*

2) "Average queue times for solo queue is around 5 minutes at peak hours if you queue all languages, all 3 level categories. Average match time is 2 minutes. This means 19894 minutes (331 hours) if you're bad, and you're leaving win/loss ratio to the RNG of team allotment, or 13265 minutes (221 hours) if you're somehow amazing enough to win 100% of your matches. This averages out to 2-3 months."

I que on dps during off hours is over 1hr+; during peak times is still over 20+min in whatever magical world you are living that only 5 min is a que you need to realize this is a bold face lie.

3) 50/50 - I am one of 4 people. It doesn't matter how good I do if i'm solo queing it all relies on the other 3 people doing their job right as well.. To say a good player can guarantee the win of the party. is 100% ignorant and shows a complete lack of knowledge of how pvp works. If my team mates are screwing up. I can play 5million times better then them and we will still loose.

[FelisC]

I have no problem with win trading, but skewing facts and using strawman arguments to garner support is despicable.

Strong language from someone who presents between 221 and 331 hours of PVP as "2-3 months", or the idea that you'd get queues for those hundreds of hours under ideal circumstances..

[Murakamo]

Have to agree 100% with the people who say that the big problem is that the PVP isn't fun. More fun would mean more people queuing which would mean faster matches. Hopefully frontlines delivers.

I've never heard this but if that's true that's very interesting, link?

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...0fb8139b3464da

It says so in the patchnotes. It also says that the matchmaking criteria will widen over time... I don't know how effective that really is though. Matchmaking times are still horrendous.

[FelisC]

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...0fb8139b3464da

It says so in the patchnotes. It also says that the matchmaking criteria will widen over time... I don't know how effective that really is though. Matchmaking times are still horrendous.

Oh, I see. I guess that's an attempt to address the issue of highly geared players stomping on not as highly geared players, but it wouldn't be effective at all without someone actually playing PVP...

[Alise]

They could have solved this issue entirely by simply removing morale. The whole concept of PvP only gear is both silly and jarring. A fresh-faced player pugging into a group of people geared to the teeth in PvP gear is not even remotely fun, and puts you at such a significant disadvantage that you can't even adequately compete.

This! it is totally unfair to start out with fight against high gear players. Even the strongest PvE set, become nothing against PvP set there. Instead of me trying to attempt it over and over by keep losing to get little mark. People hate to lose, and I don't do win trade either. so what is my solution then? I quit PvP all together, and so does other people I known. This mean that your queue time will be longer, the more people quit it.

To be honest, PvP supposed to be like a fighting game where your gear is no matter. You play a lot of it, so your skill will be better than those newbies who come in latter, but at least they doesn't have to feed up with another handicap for using low lv gear.

The players skill should be enough to decide the winner, we don't want another extra layer of handicap to the new starters.

[Velhart]

If developers don't care to make PvP any good, then I won't bother to care either. I am sure if you ask 3/4 people why they PvP, most would say to just glamour the new armor. PvP was not touched by many before the set came out, now there are Win Trade LS's everywhere. If you are saying this is alright to do and not even attempting to fix it or make it where competing in PvP is not the better alternative, then I don't know why you bothered to create PvP in the first place. I knew it was an afterthought the PvP, but the laziness in the design and methods makes it more obvious.

[AlrikRouge]

I'll be honest and say I stopped reading everything at page 5. So if it was mentioned, disregard.

The PvP gear has main stats similar or the same as PvE. So if it was completely outright simple to get i100 gear or i90 or whatever, it would lesson the purpose of dungeon raids (coil, myth, sol, etc).

So, why not make it easier to get, but not usable for PvE except for glamor? Or, since that would be near impossible or improbable to make, make PvP have entirely different statistics based soley on PvP experience, from wins/loses? My level 50, i98 PLD walks into PvP with level 1 PvP gear because I'm level 1 PvP, same as PvE? And then run with it that way. I can elaborate my idea further if wanted, but it could be plain as day anyway.

[HaelseMikiro]

Well, Frontlines will have no morale, and most likely reward much higher PvP xp and Wolf Marks, on account of the battle taking longer. So I'd expect anyone tired of sitting in queues for imba arena matches, should be SUPER excited to spam Frontlines nonstop, while it's new and fresh and people are actually lining up for them. We'll see a month from now if it's still popular.

[BunnyChain]

Equalized gear is what I'd like to see, special matches with equalized gear that don't affect your weekly or monthly rank. And let's not forget solo queues, maybe with a small reward.

[tehomegaking]

Report me. The devs have already stated officially that it's allowed. But 'against the spirit.'

Clearly they haven't. Don't just post nonsense to back yourself up. Yoshi himself has stated to report people.

I hope many people follow your advice and report you.