WAR MT + PLD OT vs. PLD MT + WAR OT in terms of DPS

[The_Badger]

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Thanks for running some tests instead of just coming back with "but math and theory!". I do appreciate it.

Interesting results you have and I can't seem to replicate it at all. I just ran 2:30 tests on both PLD and WAR in nearly identical gear, had to swap two accessories to STR for PLD to make up for the 30 points I have in STR on my WAR as I don't have 10k seals atm, and WAR still comes out ahead every single time. My lowest WAR test is still higher than my highest PLD test.

I find this odd that our results would vary so wildly. So I made a video and took a ton of screenshots. I've also uploaded the .act file of my parse. This should show exactly how I'm testing and allow for critique. If I'm doing something inherently wrong on PLD please let me know, as again PLD falls short of WAR.

HERE is a link to Dropbox which has the parses, labeled "+New PLD" and "+New WAR". There's some other tests from before in that folder as well if you want to view those.

I'm also rendering the video while I sleep and will upload it tomorrow, as it's an hour long. I won't be able to upload a video of that length to Youtube but I'll upload the file to be watched in something like VLC so you can speed through it. I'm simply uploading it to show my exact methods of replicating a 2:30 test.

Please see THIS post for updated info.

[Fue]

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Well there's your problem. that parser doesnt count SwO.

[Gildarts]

Well there's your problem. that parser doesnt count SwO.

and how you know it doesnt count it?

[Fue]

and how you know it doesnt count it?

Check the numbers its not listed anywhere.
The other one does calculate it though reason why theres such a big difference between the two.

[The_Badger]

Well there's your problem. that parser doesnt count SwO.

It most certainly DOES include SwO damage. I just tested this to confirm it, as I thought you might be on to something. But nope, ACT again is very accurate at what it does, especially on the client running it. Anyway, I did 3 runs with SwO on where I only auto-attack for 2:30 and then 3 runs with no stance where I again only auto-attack for 2:30. I just uploaded the results to the same Dropbox folder.

Check the numbers its not listed anywhere.
The other one does calculate it though reason why theres such a big difference between the two.

It's listed as a skill/ability, as shown HERE.

On another note my video upload had an error and didn't complete. Don't fret, I'll try again tonight.

[Fue]

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Weird its not showing for me.

[The_Badger]

Weird its not showing for me.

Well, actually, upon further testing it doesn't ALWAYS show up. Luckily I had left the parser open from last nights tests, so I've got all of that and todays data available. So when you brought this up I just went and did those auto-attack tests, and it showed up, so I hastily posted the above. However, after looking back at last nights tests not a single one of them show any SwO damage, not one. I had recorded last nights session so I reviewed it to make sure I didn't somehow forget SwO. I didn't, it's active, but it simply didn't register. So I did the math. I averaged SwO to 4800 damage over 2:30 based on the above auto-attack tests, which it was very consistent as the pie charts will show, and added that to the total damage before and viola! 230-ish DPS. This indeed puts PLD slightly above WAR.

Now, I've ran 3 more tests just now with SwO on and it's registering fine in the pie chart under Skills/Abilities and the numbers are coming out consistently 30~ DPS higher. So this explains it, for whatever reason ACT will sometimes not pickup and calculate SwO damage. I'm going to report this to the developer and hope others will too.

I've uploaded 6 new images of the 3 most recent tests where SwO was properly recognized. 3 images of the EncDPS and the 3 images of each Skill/Ability pie chart. SwO is consistently showing 18% of the total damage with the actual output being right around 4,800, give or take.

Again, I have no bias in this discussion I am only trying to get to the bottom of it. I kept seeing posts saying this or that and then actual parses from ACT showing otherwise. So I ran tests and posted the information being as transparent as possible. As we've now found out ACT will sometimes, for whatever reason, not acknowledge SwO. This explains the 30~ DPS variance in the math and theory vs the parsing.

So, there you have it. PLD and WAR are very close in DPS but a PLD in SwO will edge out a WAR out of Defiance in equal gear. Based on these numbers it's about a 6% difference.

HERE is the link again to the Dropbox folder that shows all of the testing I've done that's been discussed on the past few pages.