Please remove the lockout for leaving instances.

[Gardthorne]

The lockout timer could stand to be increased actually. The idea of removing it altogether is absurd.

[Umo]

There are so many different social situations that can occur in a dungeon / trial and many reasons for a player wanting or needing to leave.

When a player enters a particular trial or dungeon (roulette aside), they generally want to complete it for a purpose. If they want to leave it's generally for a reason.

What are those situations / reasons you're talking about? I mean, could you please give examples?
A very bad party including some sort of harrasment / trolling comes to my mind, but nothing else

[Roris]

If you have to leave due to an emergency then you might not even be able to return before the 30 min expire anyway. If you leave because of another reason or simply because everything is going bad and you aren't patient enough even with the Echo, like I've done before, then just buckle up and take the hit.

[KenzieLynch]

I would have said no to this before this past week, but Duty finder has been ridiculous this past week, at least for me. There have been so many people equipping themselves in gear not meant for their jobs just to beat ilvl requirements. It is to the point where I pulled my warrior AF out of storage and tote it around incase I get in a group with one (or more) of these people, toss it on with my casting jewelry, when they ask me what I'm doing, I tell them, and I tell them why. I usually get the the same response about me being a child and 4 or 5 accessories isn't going to impact them that much, I let them know if they don't have the gear for the job to get into the dungeon/roulette, then they aren't geared enough for it Anything that would get me out of groups with these people faster I am 100% for. I have had one group that made me laugh though, black mage with 4 darklight aiming accessories because the "dex adds accuracy" and she claimed to have gotten them out her FC bank, it made me laugh enough I barely noticed the monk with the fending bracelet and 2 healing rings.

Exactly. Players are generally against this idea until they find themselves on the other side of the fence and realise how unfair the current system is. I tell you now, the ONLY fair system is a completely open one in which people can leave - and join - as they wish. Regardless of the reason for the party splitting up, the player that leaves can find a party more suitable whilst the players remaining will get a replacement who isn't agitated with being forced to be there. As I said, there is no need for anyone to suffer.

I haven't done this as of yet, but right now i'm thinking the best option I have when faced with this scenario is just to sit down, refuse to take part in the instance and wait to be kicked or get a free bonus when I come back to my chair in 30 minutes. Is that better for everyone?

[Zaiken]

Tank and Healer would abused it to the max if there is no penalty since they get instant que. They are already doing it even with the penalty, you can expect this features to be abused even more without the penalty. Personally, if you need to leave in case of emergency, 30 minutes is more then enough. Just leave and take the 30 minutes to do what you need to do.

Imagine if there is no penalty for leaving Dungeon or instances.

Tank: Oh I don't like this Dungeon because it is not Brayfox. *Leave*
Tank: DPS sucks! *Leave*
Tank: we are not killing fast enought! *Leave*
Tank: Someone died on pull or first boss. *Leave*

Reque to repeat and just screw everyone over again especially DPS who waited 30 - 1 hours for Dungeon. Seriously no! I'm a Tank, I get instant que, but I still wouldn't want a no Penalty either. It will be very unfair to class who don't get instant que.

[Yurihyuga]

well won't be the last time I now see people who are being idiots and just go afk waiting to be kicked to avoid the penalty. So it does breed this kind of attitude so I for one agree with the OP. If someone wants to leave without a penalty most people will just cause these kinds of scenarios.

Go afk
Gear broken kick me
FU Noobs kick me or im just gonna go afk(Yes this is an actual example)
Sorry have to go for "insert reason here" but not actually leave the group

There is another side and its nasty we can already kick people for practically anything as SE feels its up to the community so they might as well just remove the penalty. Can't even report these people as SE doesn't want to know GM has told me they won't intervene with these matters even though its blatantly bad manners and detrimental to the game.

[Musashidon]

I haven't done this as of yet, but right now i'm thinking the best option I have when faced with this scenario is just to sit down, refuse to take part in the instance and wait to be kicked or get a free bonus when I come back to my chair in 30 minutes. Is that better for everyone?

I wanted to let you know that the team is currently looking into ways to counteract this behavior. If you encounter a player that is going AFK specifically in an attempt to be dismissed, please be sure to report this to the GMs.

sure thing gives me a good reason to report you

[KenzieLynch]

Tank and Healer would abused it to the max if there is no penalty since they get instant que. They are already doing it even with the penalty, you can expect this features to be abused even more without the penalty. Personally, if you need to leave in case of emergency, 30 minutes is more then enough. Just leave and take the 30 minutes to do what you need to do.

Imagine if there is no penalty for leaving Dungeon or instances.

Tank: Oh I don't like this Dungeon because it is not Brayfox. *Leave*
Tank: DPS sucks! *Leave*
Tank: we are not killing fast enought! *Leave*
Tank: Someone died on pull or first boss. *Leave*

Reque to repeat and just screw everyone over again especially DPS who waited 30 - 1 hours for Dungeon. Seriously no! I'm a Tank, I get instant que, but I still wouldn't want a no Penalty either. It will be very unfair to class who don't get instant que.

Well I'm a DPS and I'm asking for it. I have been playing the game long enough to be able to see when a party just isn't going to work within 30 seconds. You yourself must have had that same feeling when entering a roulette with Titan and both healers drop within seconds? and yet the overly optimistic party want to keep trying until 20 minutes later with full echo buff the party falls apart and everyone leaves empty handed (this actually happened to me today)

You say it would be unfair to me because I don't get an instant que, and yet I knew the fate of that party within 30 seconds and spent 20 minutes banging my head against a wall that could have been spent queuing and joining a better party?

Now, I know that example is a very specific scenario, but that's the point. There are too many factors at hand, and too many ways an instance can play out, for it to be fair to use a blanket ban for leaving and instance. It favours only the type of scenario where a jerk has entered and left because he didn't want that particular dungeon but that is more an issue with roulette than anything else. There is no perfect system here, but the fairest it can be is a completely open one where everyone is free to leave and join instances as they please and SE remain neutral.

[Alukah]

[KenzieLynch]

sure thing gives me a good reason to report you

Hardly surprising, people seem to enjoy the idea of reporting people more than they do the actual game these days. However, i'm glad you brought that up, because it brings us right back to the reason why the blanket ban is in force in the first place. Because it is impossible for SE to manage individual cases on such a large scale.

I'll say it, yet again, that there is only one fair and realistic approach to this and that is to remove the lockout altogether. It may come as a surprise to you but SE aren't all that fond of banning players altogether for petty reasons, or losing them for restrictive access (to paid content). Every ban is a lost subscription.