{future} release Brutal at the same time

[Cerat]

I really don't see the reason for hate here. They're asking for an additional mode, without "better" loot. It's just an additional, optional, mode that will leave CT as is for everyone else but the people that want the challenge. As long as SE doesn't lock future content behind clearing it there shouldn't be an issue. It's more content, which will give more people things to enjoy. How can that really be a bad thing? It's not like people like me, someone who's heavily on the casual side of things, even has to deal with it unless I want to.

[Sadana]

Because the percentage of hardcore raiders is significantly less then the rest of the game's player base and that the raiders are doing the same content as well as raiding there meaning they are actively using all the content while casual players are using some to most of it.

And it's getting smaller all the time... :/

I'm a casual who looks up to those guys who can see a new challenge and bring it down due to skill. I kind of think swapping a 'casual' patch for a 'hardcore' patch to reset the pace of updates would be a good idea. It IS weird to have the lesser stuff, the 'half step' if you will, come AFTER the challenging stuff. We all know CT was supposed to come before Coil, but it didn't. So now it seems the CT updates are regressive. I think it would be nice if they could swap a new Coil for a new bit of CT in a patch. All other update stuff could stay the same. I'm casual, I don't mind waiting a bit.

[Zozor]

And it's getting smaller all the time... :/

I'm a casual who looks up to those guys who can see a new challenge and bring it down due to skill. I kind of think swapping a 'casual' patch for a 'hardcore' patch to reset the pace of updates would be a good idea. It IS weird to have the lesser stuff, the 'half step' if you will, come AFTER the challenging stuff. We all know CT was supposed to come before Coil, but it didn't. So now it seems the CT updates are regressive. I think it would be nice if they could swap a new Coil for a new bit of CT in a patch. All other update stuff could stay the same. I'm casual, I don't mind waiting a bit.

As a progression raider I prefer that CT "Stepping Stone" comes after.

It means that when new content is released it's tougher because our gear is worse. T6 burns and T8 would have never been a problem if CT2 had come out first.

CT gear stepping stone and tomestone gear, is like an invisible echo buff. It helps people cross the boundaries where their own skill cannot carry them.

[Ulathskullsplitter]

i agree there should be something for hardcores each patch. or increase the amount of turn bosses we get during coil patches. 4 small rooms and tunels and 4 bosses every six months (more actualy since we have delays) is just patheticaly low.
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tell me again how this is in any way shape or form fair?

Well 2 people already covered but there are far less people doing coil, especially coil 2, than there will be doing ct2 or the new dungeons. Its a very small percentage of people doing coil 2 and even less clearing turn 9. There are less now doing turn 2 than there were doing turn 1 and there will be even less doing turn 3 than currently doing turn 2. At this point its a waste of time for the devs to even focus on hardcore at all. Thats just not what the FF playerbase wants for the most part.

[TeganLaron]

Casual.
Hardcore.
Casual.
Hardcore.
Casual...

They've already said this is how they are going to do the patches. One to cater to the hardcore with tough endgame content (New Coil.) Then the next will cater to the more casual group (CT.) You're complaining you will have nothing to do before you've even tried it, you have no idea how hard Ramuh EX or CT will actually be. Well for the last three months or so the casuals really have had nothing to do. If you aren't on Second Coil yet and can't do EXs then other than Hildebrand there wasn't much for them last patch. Now the shoe is on the other foot you're getting your panties in a bunch because every patch isn't focussed on you and solely you alone.

I think you just have serious entitlement issues.

P.S. My use of the terms "hardcore" and "casual" was just a generalisation in terms of the topic of the thread. I know there are lots of exceptions and people in between.

[Parz3val]

It wouldn't take that much effort to develop whatsoever.

Take the example of SCOB Brutal, they said it's the uncut version, raw difficulty.

Meaning, they had to do next-to-nothing more to release it.

If they wanted not to do uncut with all Brutal's, it still wouldn't require 'much' work.

Bosses. Done. Gear. Made. Environment. Finished.

Tweak some mechanics, up some stats, drop in a few extra mobs.

GG.

It's not asking much honestly.

You're complaining you will have nothing to do before you've even tried it.

I think you just have serious entitlement issues.

Never once did I say I will have nothing to do.

And as I've said previously, just because the patch cycle is that way, doesn't mean we can't request alterations or that it wouldn't be better changed.

Requesting one bonus add-on be implemented in the casual cycle so 'hard-cores' aren't waiting 5 months for a new challenge to beat, it's not asking for much.

Casuals get plenty that caters to their interests in the hardcore patches too (and yes, I know there is much hard-cores can enjoy in the casual cycle also).

I'm speaking directly about those who enjoy a good CHALLENGE.

I'm generally disinterested in CT2 & 4-man's because it's quite obvious they won't be very difficult, especially for someone who's beat t9 and is wearing i110. Yoshi has gone on record to say both CT2 & the new 4-man's will be roughly on-par with the difficulty of their predecessors (paraphrase).

As before, SCOB Brutal is a good addition, but it's not fresh content (arguably, per se). I think a better solution would be to simultaneously implement the new casual content in a format challenge-seekers can better enjoy.

As well, I don't appreciate the disrespect in your post.

[TeganLaron]

snip.

It's irrelevant how much effort it would or wouldn't take (I don't know about that side of things as I'm not an expert like you.) The point is that ever since before the first patch they have been very clear about where their priorities lie regarding progress and the alternating direction of each patch. You're asking them to make last minute adjustments to their long term plan simply to satisfy you. You can take it as disrespect all you want, but if that isn't self entitled I don't know what is.

[Hollow_Tears]

If I remember correctly the brutal mode is for T1-T5 not the ScoB which is T6-T9 and as some people have said wear lower ilvl gear if you want some challenge back even if you know what to do, the lower gear will take you longer to kill the enemy.

[Parz3val]

Off topic but is Brutal Coil coming in 2.3?

Correct.

If I remember correctly the brutal mode is for T1-T5 not the ScoB which is T6-T9 and as some people have said wear lower ilvl gear if you want some challenge back even if you know what to do, the lower gear will take you longer to kill the enemy.

Incorrect. It's for SCOB.

I addressed that point in a previous posting.

It's irrelevant how much effort it would or wouldn't take (I don't know about that side of things as I'm not an expert like you.) The point is that ever since before the first patch they have been very clear about where their priorities lie regarding progress and the alternating direction of each patch. You're asking them to make last minute adjustments to their long term plan simply to satisfy you. You can take it as disrespect all you want, but if that isn't self entitled I don't know what is.

"I'm not an expert like you," you're seriously telling me that kind of talk isn't disrespectful?

Anyway, adding one small thing for challenge-seekers doesn't mean it's no longer primarily a "casual" patch.

The "hardcore" patches generally still have plenty for casuals also (sure, both can enjoy this content).

And for the last time, just because they've been clear about their patch-cycle intentions doesn't mean we can't request minor alterations (and yet again, a single inclusion doesn't necessarily mean it's no longer a casually-themed patch).

[Moqi]

I think it makes sense to have CT after Coil. If you can't beat Coil before the next patch, you get more choice in gear that could help you. And with the oil/sands/tome (whatever drops in CT) it will be another little step to make Coil slightly easier with ilvl110 equipment you wouldn't found anywhere else.