Disable spiritbonding in dungeons.

[Tharian]

you guys doing your spiritbonding in dungeons, do realize that trying to spiritbond anything that is around item level 80 or above is kind of pointless... right? And as such, you also realize that trying to run these high level dungeons in gear below item level 70 is also kind of pointless, right?

And as far as high level dungeons, I am talking CT, Brayflox and the other Expert Hardmodes, and both types of Coil.

[Eidolon]

[...]trying to spiritbond anything that is around item level 80 or above is kind of pointless... right? And as such, you also realize that trying to run these high level dungeons in gear below item level 70 is also kind of pointless, right

How is it pointless, though? Like, I could see spirit bonding i80+ as being pointless. But most people (Myself included) do item level 49 gear. This is cheap to make or straight out buy (usually ranging between 1 and 3 thousand gil), and can yield materia that is worth over 100 thousand gil. The time it takes is roughly three dungeons - Basically, my three roulette for a full set of accessories.

That's not 'pointless' to me at all. And thankfully, no one's ever complained at my using spirit bonding accessories - because I would laugh them out of the dungoun if they did. My skills and left-side armor slots easily put me above the dungoun. And I spiritbond with class-appropriate gear (WAR: STR/VIT, depending on what I feel like since I have STR and VIT sets for WAR anyways; BLM: INT set, Healer: MND set; DRG: STR set.)

[Waeksyn]

This is not about ilvl, there's a difference between someone who is still gearing up or someone who is sbing gear appropriate to their class, and someone who is using trade/fieldcraft gear.

Your report would be void unless the majority agrees with using crafter gear.

There is no difference at all. Stats are stats no matter how they are arrived at.

You and others on this thread simply have their panties in a twist over nothing and are choosing to read Camate's post in a way that justifies being an asshat to those that are perfectly adequately geared for the content.

While I was writing my post yesterday, I was actually doing a Brayflox DF Roulette. I was SB'ing all 5 accessories - even through the bosses (I usually change to i99 for bosses). At the end I received 3 commendations.

[Kimikryo]

Do people really STILL can upset about people SBing in DUNGEONS of all things?

If they do their job right and don't slow the run down to a crawl I don't mind if they SB a bit.

If someone performs so poorly that it slows your run down, most of the time it is a combination of bad gear and bad skill ... with bad skill being the 80% (and some just are doing that on purpose)

[Alukah]

If you want to ensure a SB-free duty, then use the party finder. Don't expect to be able to remove people's ability to make gil while grinding content if you are just queing in via the duty finder. More often then not, people with SB accessories generally have i90 or better in all major slots. That pushes the iLvl down to about 75 or so, which is still 20 ilvl's above the "requirement" to do expert duties.

It could be worse - you could get someone showing up in full DL & i60 jewellery. Can't really kick someone for not having better gear to equip - similarly you shouldn't be able to kick someone that decides to SB their accessories..

Always the "if you don't like it go use PF", but this time you used it wrong.

If you don't want to be kicked go use PF, make a SBing party, unless the whole point of using DF is to leech off those not gimping themselves.

There is no difference at all. Stats are stats no matter how they are arrived at.

You and others on this thread simply have their panties in a twist over nothing and are choosing to read Camate's post in a way that justifies being an asshat to those that are perfectly adequately geared for the content.

While I was writing my post yesterday, I was actually doing a Brayflox DF Roulette. I was SB'ing all 5 accessories - even through the bosses (I usually change to i99 for bosses). At the end I received 3 commendations.

"stats are stats" - yeah, we totally need +GP or craftmanship in a dungeon.

Using crafter gear is not "perfectly adequately geared for the content" and we are not choosing to read Camate's post in a certain way, he was very explicit about gear being part of the player strategy, it just happens that there is a precedent regarding that. Don't like it? Go cry to SE to change their stance (or use a premade party for SBing).

And yeah I know people commend tanks for just being there, that's not exactly an achievement.

[Urielparadox]

so because someone is spiritin bonding their gear everyone else is responsible for picking p your slack? If you look at this way we are teams, if team members have to pick up the slack of others the team is compromised and weakened. The team member creating the slack is toxic, if you went to a baseball game and refused to use anything but a wiffle bat do you think your coach would let you walk up to the plate? no way in heck. Now that we have been given the go ahead I will very much call you out. I have a life, a job, and a day myself adding 10+ min extra to my day in a dungeon only because you can't be bothered to gear properly is just sad. I never let people copy off me in school, I got paid to do work, why am I going to pay you(yes esp tanks since you get payed an extra 4.5k to run the dungeon) to be lazy, when my whole professional career is making money off of lazy people?

[Waeksyn]

Yes, gear is part of "the player strategy". What you are saying, though, is that you insist everyone follow YOUR strategy. "WE totally need +GP ...".

How selfish.

My strategy is to use dungeons to: Earn Myth and Soldiery to gear my jobs, use the Myth and the Expert Roulette to earn Alexandrite to update my relic, SB crafting gear to sell and use the proceeds to purchase materia needed for the Relic update in a much more efficient manner than SB'ing DPS gear (conversion success into something that you can actually use is too low IMO).

You don't like it? You are free to make your own "No SB'ing" parties through the PF. Most everyone else (including the entire party that commended my last Brayflox run) seems to be fine with players that can perform appropriate to the content.

[Kluya15]

on full right side with level1-10 accessories, i still hit harder than a full i90 blm. most of the PF requirements are at around the 80-90 level so i think that's good enough for me

No you don't, stop it or I shall have you horsewhipped

[Rex]

So ... you're saying it's ok to vote kick someone who isn't wearing appropriate gear (appropriate TBD by the group)?

If you politely try to ask them "Hey, you're not doing too well with that spiritbonding gear, can you please put on higher level stuff?" And if they give you any unnecessary crap that I usually get when I ask someone politely about things like "Hey dragoon, can you help us over here?" And I'll usually get a "F U cuz we're not locking out so I'm not helping"

I'm pretty sure you can vote kick for cooperation issues.

[TeganLaron]

If it isn't having a negative impact on the run, then what is the problem? I did Lost City on my expert roulette on PLD yesterday in just over half spiritbonding gear, it brought me down to about i70 and just under 5000 HP. When the run started the WHM instantly told me to pull only small groups, obviously not impressed at my gear. I said we would be ok with larger groups, but obliged and proceeded to pull no more than two or three at a time. After seeing on the first few packs that I knew what I was doing, the WHM said more mobs would be fine. From there on we ran the dungeon as I normally would in i90; we didn't wipe, no one died and I only lost aggro a single time (a Baalzephon got away from me when dealing with the Eyes.) Then to cap it all off, I got all three commendations!

Just because you have an issue with people spiritbonding, doesn't mean everyone else feels the same.

On the other side of the argument, if someone is doing a lot of spiritbonding but doesn't have the skills to back it up and it is effecting the run. Then just vote kick them. Devs have already said they won't get involved in issues like this regarding the vote kick, so if the majority of you agree that it's that big an issue, then just kick them. There's no need to redo the whole system just because you can't get a kick to go through against anyone who doesn't meet your high standards.