All this talk about community...

[Sadana]

I do run a lot with friends, however, this thread is not just about my personal experience in the game, but the community. When you are forced to do things with just your owner server, you learn who you can depend on, those that you should stay away from, the people who are just plain ol' fun to talk to, etc. It helps to build the community. Running with anons from other servers breeds annoying little twats who don't have to fear about their reputation following them because there is a good chance they will never see the people again.

But hey, good job simplifying things to "go with friends".

I see your point and I have wished before for a DF blacklist (though I realize this would be unfeasible) with the hopes that trolls and asshats will get blisted to the point that they have to make a new character and change their ways if they want to dungeon ever again. But we are talking two 'sizes' of communities, for lack of a better word. You (and perhaps the OP) are speaking of a server-wide community; I am talking just of the community we create within the FC or LS (honestly, because I don't see everyone on the server getting along with each other.)

[MageBlack]

You should add "right now" to all your negatives.

They are expanding on the FC stuff, making more things for the FC to do as a group. (Primal summoning, Frontlines, and more)
Crafting is being expanded as well, there will be group projects to craft, with your FC, like the Airship. these things will require more than one person to craft it. Ixail Beast tribe quests will be focused on crafting.
Open world was never really something they were focusing on, its not a sandbox mmo, its a themepark. You just might not be playing the right game for what you want in an MMO. That's no ones fault, just a difference of opinion. Also with the open world there are Hunts coming, plus there are the Treasure hunts, and more systems coming where people need to work together.

As far as toxicity goes, it peoples personalities. The game has nothing to do with people who have a toxic nature. Blaming toxicity on anything else but the individual is a fallacious argument. But thank you for sharing your opinions OP you are fully entitled to them as I am to my opinions.

[Gormogon]

The root of the problem is having "high expectations".

As for Auction House. It would be nice if NPCs adjust their prices according to what's in the AH, that way instead of being forced to undercut they can get their quick buck. Yet at 100% of what's being sold in the AH? No but at least 60-80% would be nice.

[SavageWolf]

Hey guys, I wish this was Final Fantasy XI. Instead of going to play that game, or some other ancient game, I'm gonna come here and whine about this one.

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[MeeDeggiThePunisher]

I can see his point. I really think we should've been limited to how many classes we can haved maxed out at one time. Like you could only have maxed: 2 DOW, 2 DOM, 1 DOH and 1 DOL at a time. And all others capped at say 30. Being able to do everything yourself can certainly have an impact on the community and marketplace.

Crafting classes? Definitely! Combat classes? **** NO!

[Skivvy]

I see your point and I have wished before for a DF blacklist (though I realize this would be unfeasible) with the hopes that trolls and asshats will get blisted to the point that they have to make a new character and change their ways if they want to dungeon ever again. But we are talking two 'sizes' of communities, for lack of a better word. You (and perhaps the OP) are speaking of a server-wide community; I am talking just of the community we create within the FC or LS (honestly, because I don't see everyone on the server getting along with each other.)

Sorry for my earlier snark. The hormones be crazy today, so I should probably just stop typing after this... D: But yeah, having a good group of friends to do things with really does make everything much more tolerable and enjoyable. And while I do tend to suggest that as well (find friends/people of like mind, etc), it's not always the easiest of things to do. DF does not help this as if you do run across someone you really like, there is a good chance they won't be on your server. :/

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Those "ancient" games have done plenty of things right. Why not implement things that have worked in the past?

[OSUBuckeye4]

You should add "right now" to all your negatives.

That is a very good point, and you are most definitely entitled to your opinions (even if they run contrary to some of mine).

The reason I'm sticking around is because I have hope that the developers are going to put more community based content into the game.

I'm not asking that everything in the game require gigantic FC's to accomplish. This isn't a, "everything is broke, SE needs to fix it all overnight" thread. I just think that a lot of problems that exist within the game are because SE took the path of allowing everyone to do everything on their own (via DF, and the ability to level every class to max)... and then threw in some challenging content that kind of requires a group at the end of it. It's a very conflicting design and I think it's responsible for a lot of the negative threads (well, the non-grind complaint ones).



The only reason I posted this is because its a topic that my FC and I have spoke about at length over the course of the last month, after watching about half of our existing members leave.

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I never played FF11...

[SavageWolf]

I never played FF11...

So insert "Random Outdated Game" here, then.

[SavageWolf]

Those "ancient" games have done plenty of things right. Why not implement things that have worked in the past?

Because the things being suggested were terrible in those ancient games.

[OSUBuckeye4]

So insert "Random Outdated Game" here, then.

The only other MMORPG's I've ever played are:

- Darkfall: Loved it, but completely different game than FF14. Had to leave when my computer broke and I didn't want to invest in a rig that would run it properly.

- WoW: Left after the first expansion, never came back.

- Pirates of the Burning Sea: Left before an expansion, way too many bugs.

- Age of Conan: Too buggy, developer rushed it out too quickly... literally got to lvl 40 and realized that there were entire zones that didn't even have monsters in them because the production team didn't think people would make it there that quickly (I wasn't the first one there by any means)

- Ultima Online: Played it like 8 years after it's release, didn't really understand it and gave up after a week.


Truth be told, this is the first MMORPG that I've stuck around with for more than 6 months. I really don't have a lot of pre-existing viewpoints of what an MMORPG should be...


I just think it would be cool if there were things that FC's and maybe even servers themselves could work towards. That feeling of contributing to a greater cause is what I think is missing from a lot of people's lives when it comes to this game. Everything in the game is designed in such a small pack or lone wolf mentality... you get your group of 7 to run your static of the same content, and then you carve out your own little niche.