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  1. #11
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    Kuwagami Tarynke
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    Red Mage Lv 78
    hmmm real tips now :

    #1 : DO NOT JUMP !
    I know it's tempting, I know a freaking quake or landslide or anything shouldn't hit you in mid air, I know that. However, in this game, jumping causes you position not to be calculated for the lengh of the jump. Ie, if you are in an AoE, jump while you're in, and do not hit the floor before the end of the cast, you're done for. (May have been fixed with 2.28, but I'm too afraid to check it)

    #2 legacy camera is life.
    Learn how to use it, it's so much more useful than regular camera... being able to run backwards is a huge advantage, do not waste it
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  2. #12
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    Sheena Te'ar
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    Marauder Lv 50
    Edited as appropriate.

    If possible some WHM give some tips on their lvl 50 playstyle. this is afterall a tip on healing classes
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  3. #13
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    Asny Rak'nys
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    As a WHM second... learn when NOT to heal. Spaming medica/medica II/cure/cure II/cure III will just deplete your MP. Not everyone needs to be topped up 100% all the time.

    Learn to love the synergy with a SCH in 8 mans.

    Learn both uses for Shourd of Saints in case you need either and don't be afraid to use it early if need be.

    Stoneskin and more stoneskin and even more stoneskin - if you are aware of the fight and know that a tank is about to get hit by something big... cast it on the tank and they will take a lot less damage(this can be so helpful at managing something like mountain buster and whicked wheel).

    The less you heal the more MP you will get back - thus not relying on MP batteries(aka bards(my main)), MP pots and Shourd of Saints.

    If you need MP(and you are the one that knows if they need it or not - some are happy with 1k mp some want 50% of their pool etc...) have a macro preferably with a sound alarm next to it <se.1-15> that tells the party your MP percentage and requesting mage's ballad(and remember auto translate works in macros) if nothing else this can signal the tank that they need to pop some heavy CDs or even go Holmgang or the PLD skill to just grind through that. Use MP pots if you need to. Pop shroud if you get raised and pop a pot(I tend to rely on hi-elxisirs as both whm and brd) as well to get back into the healing game fast. If you can, drop a divine seal medica II and regen on tank at the same time so you have a breather for your MP to regen.

    Divine seal - it's a great CD - learn when it's best to use it(my own choice tends to be medica II after big aoes that I know more damage is coming to the tank along with a divine seal regen on tank). Also divine seal+medica is basically a long range cure III.

    Cure III know when to use it - it's rare usually. Cure and freecure should be your main unless you're doing something like speedruns.
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  4. #14
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    Ketsuyame Mirai
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    Adamantoise
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    Monk Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Aloreal View Post
    *Disclaimer*

    So you hit 50. Good job. I hope for your sake you did not do any side jobs at all or else you are going to find yourself in a big disadvantage later on when you will want to level another class. especially a dps class.


    - Contribution from the posts:
    This is absolutely false. I as well as many other have numerous level 50 classes and quite frankly, its EASIER to level up the alt classes after your first 50. I dont know about you but I've barely touched any side quests when I was leveling up my other classes. I have no problem with the tips you're giving, just dont give the newcomers false information. This may make them apprehensive is they're in a certain area and they want to explore and do all there is. But they won't because some guy on the forums suggested they "save some side quests" for a possible other class. Other than that, no problem and grats on your first 50! =^_^=

    Couple of tips: It's not about knowing when to heal, but knowing when NOT to heal. New healers may not know but over healing produces aggro! A big no no. So be careful.

    Tip 2: Save prescence of mind for rez, its cuts down the 8 second cast time to about 6.5 sec. Very nifty. But honestly you should just suck it up and lvl that thurmaturge to 26 and get SWIFTCAST. I'm victim of this and I know in some endgame fights 6 1/2 secs may be a matter between life and a wipe.

    Tip 3: Pop Divine seal as much as you can. When you use it in tandem with SoS, you'll be fine.

    Tip 4: Ignore the post regarding ifrit's rod.. If it drops, great. If not, no big deal. The ALKALUROPS is superior to this and you'll need it anyway for relic. In the meantime, Get the level 50 GC weapon and get thyrus when you can.

    Tip 5: A good healer with a great pool of mp can dps too. If the crowd control is lacking, pop this useful combo (ONLY FOR A SHORT TIME, AND PAY ATTENTION TO AGGRO BARS AND HEALTH) : Cleric Stance, Shroud of Saints, Holy 2x. Then remove and get your ass back in healer mode. lol. This works great in places like AK and Halatali HM with lots of mobs. Other than that, a few stone II will do.
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    Last edited by Ketsuyame; 06-20-2014 at 10:15 PM.

  5. #15
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    Yui Stark
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Kuwagami View Post
    hmmm real tips now :

    #1 : DO NOT JUMP !
    I know it's tempting, I know a freaking quake or landslide or anything shouldn't hit you in mid air, I know that. However, in this game, jumping causes you position not to be calculated for the lengh of the jump. Ie, if you are in an AoE, jump while you're in, and do not hit the floor before the end of the cast, you're done for. (May have been fixed with 2.28, but I'm too afraid to check it)

    #2 legacy camera is life.
    Learn how to use it, it's so much more useful than regular camera... being able to run backwards is a huge advantage, do not waste it
    I am going to test out legacy camera tonight!
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  6. #16
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    Okashii Kazegane
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    Conjurer Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Aloreal View Post
    If possible some WHM give some tips on their lvl 50 playstyle. this is afterall a tip on healing classes
    Going to copy/paste some stuff I wrote in another thread + some extra. I'm ilvl 103 or 104 right now, T6-8 on farm, progressing T9, for reference.


    A bad whm is made by:
    cure2/cure3 spammers - not using enough cure1 for freecure procs
    inconsistent or nonexistent regens
    poor timing for heals (many times you need to precast in prep for incoming damage)
    poor use of cd's
    overall terrible mp management

    WHM main tank healing is from regen + cure1 + freecure procs:
    You're going to run out of MP quickly if you spam anything, much less cure2/medica/etc. So keep regen up and sit on damage a little bit where appropriate (remember to only recast regen when safe to do so). Youll have to learn the pace of the fight to do this effectively, but basically, you don't want to cure immediately all the time. Regen and try to time cure1 for after hits, not even every hit. requires some coordination with the other healer. Use your freecure procs and know the limitations. Freecure is a free cure2, and the freecure buff lasts a good amount of time... Wait on the tank to take more damage before you use it. freecure is good to use in place of a cure1 or cure2 depending on the situation just because it is free -- but remember, it is a cure2 so watch your aggro. It's more ok to overheal with a freecure proc than a cure 2 simply because it is free -- but try not to use it until there is a cure2 worth of damage done to the tank if you can help it. Either way it generates 100% aggro of a regular cure2.
    Keep in mind that while physic+embrace is about as powerful as a cure2 at the price of a cure1, the fairy can't embrace at the same rate as the sch's physics (it is slower). WHMs also have regen which people tend to forget to include in that. Regen should be up on a tank most all the time. And don't forget you can divine seal + regen for a really nice hp regen.

    WHM main raid healing comes from medica 1/ medica 2 depending on the situation:
    Under some conditions, a cure3 is great as well but shouldn't be the go-to raid heal due to its cost and radius. (a med1/2 is much better in many cases if people are spread out a little more and are more likely to also hit the tank where cure3 might not). Basically, you want to try to time your med1/2 to go off soon after the damage is done. Some situations call for cure 3 like in T8 if the towers get proc'd a little off and defensive goes off while allagan field is up. You want to land a cure3 immediately after defensive hits so the party can take the allagan field damage. Things like that. On the opposite end of the spectrum, for fights like T6 -- I use divine seal+med2 before chains+mark to help keep health high during chains. If several people start getting lower, I will position myself to hit them with a med1 before spit. Then med1 after spit. Usually, I can do the one med2 and one med1 though. The remainder of the med2 will finish topping everyone off. In fights with raidwide damage where you dont expect MORE raidwide damage, a med2 is good to get a little health up and then EVENTUALLY top them off. Also remember that some hp is naturally regenerated over time. Oh yeah, and like I said, timing can really help even on raid damage, so for the raid damage that interrupts casting (not actually all that many, but fireballs in T5 is an example as well as leviX's raid damaging move where you have to hit the switch for the shield) use surecast! Keeps you from being interrupted so you can time the aoe heal to go off right as the damage comes in and move right along.

    WHM have their potency cd/ spell speed cd and/or regen+cure2 for low hp tanks:
    Benediction can usually only be used 1-2 times in a fight, so use it wisely. For certain moves, stoneskin is important before a hit. Otherwise, use your cd's! Divine seal is awesome to pair with regen, cure1, cure2, med1/2. Not so much cure3 since its already so potent.

    WHMs manage hate through paced healing and SoS:
    Like I said before, pace yourself! Just because heavy damage occurs to the raid doesn't automatically mean you should be using cure3. And you shouldnt be sitting and spamming cure1 or 2 either. take it easy. time to the enemy's attacks. Learn the fight super well. Generally, SoS will keep your hate down if you use it regularly for mp as you should. However, sometimes shit happens and you will need to use it just to lose hate, especially if you accidently use something too potent as a new mob spawns! Additionally, stoneskin is practically free as far as hate goes. Use it for things like when the dreadnaught spawns in T8. Not always necessary of course, but it can be useful to keep hate down while providing som ehp to the tank.

    WHM manage MP more through timing/pacing:
    sticking with regen+cure1 as much as possible except for using that freecure proc. Good management of SoS is also extremely important. When you hit between 60-80% (up to you honestly) use SoS and use on cooldown/as needed. Some whms forget to use this often for mp. Additionally, it is beneficial to get some PIE from gear. Up to you how much. I personally go for det and pie over spell speed and crit. spell speed imo is not a great stat because its usefulness is completely avoided by my playstyle since I dont spam moves (generally) and since I try to time moves. Spell speed and spamming, again, will just blow your mp away with little utility in MOST situations. + you have that spell speed buff. And you should have swiftcast (I dont save that for raises. good to have for clutch raising, but its useful for so many other things too). The benefit of timing/pacing and basically sitting doing nothing occasionally is that MP regenerates over time (and based on your PIE). Additionally, if you want more PIE you can eat pineapple juice. It's inexpensive to craft -- only takes clusters and pineapples, so right now at least, its my go-to food. Finally, I try to take some Xethers or High ethers or something for mp restoration in case of emergencies or just things going wrong like too many deaths where my mp gets depleted too quickly. I almost never actually need them, but sometimes I use them anyways for good measure ha. Otherwise, some mind potions are good for a divine seal-like effect when you dont have divine seal up.

    WHM dps is somewhat lackluster for single-target:
    I generally leave single target DPS to my SCH buddy while I keep at the healing. Sometimes Ill throw something extra out too but not too much. However, WHM excel at aoe damage. Holy does not have a target limit like bane does, so it works really well on very large pulls while also providing a bit of cc (particularly useful for dungeons and killing trash quickly. and stun keeps tank from taking damage for just a bit as well). However, Regen needs to be put up possibly with divine seal before-hand because benediction and stoneskin are the only moves really that arent affected by the stance change. So you have to be extra careful on the timing. Takes getting used to. Cleric's stance dancing!

    Both healers need to be using virus and eye for an eye:
    appropriately and without accidentally both using it at the same time, so takes some coordination there. These skills are great in many situations and should not be neglected! But be careful because SCH virus has a little more utility, so in some spots they should definitely get priority on that move.

    Raising:
    the general order for who does raises is SMN->SCH->WHM but it doesnt have to be that way. If a WHM is doing well on MP they can raise just as easily. My group often does it with that priority but also based on who has swiftcast up. Interestingly, if none have swiftcast up, the whm could try to use the spellspeed buff and then cast it for a faster raise.

    Again, SoS is for mp management as well as hate management. Try to save it for the mp if you can!! But it can be good to blow simply for emergency hate issues. I try to save it til I need it for mp, and sometimes I will be in the yellow or orange before I get to that, but it only matters in the end if you take hate and get hit. Just watch for that.

    Be wary of your cast times:
    Stoneskin has a longer cast time than your cures. Things like that. Also, learn when you can start moving again without interrupting a cast. this can really help you out! Also, for stuff like plumes: dont finish casting... GET OUT OF THERE or you're probably dead. If the tank needs an emergency heal right then, use benediction/swiftcast cure1/2, or pray sch lustrates.

    And most importantly -- trust the other healer!
    If you can't trust the other healer, you need to find a new one. or improve yourself (as maybe the actual case is the other healer can't trust you!). Healers work best if they are really in-sync with the fight's pacing etc. and also with each other. Knowing what the other healer is going to do helps you know what you need to do, so it may take a little time getting used to each other while also getting used to the fights. But it can really work well!




    There's certainly many things to add, I'm sure. Reply if anyone else thinks of more tips
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    Last edited by Okashii; 06-21-2014 at 12:44 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aloreal View Post
    If possible some WHM give some tips on their lvl 50 playstyle. this is afterall a tip on healing classes
    A big one I do that I noticed not many WHMs do is: When raising someone, try to get Protect and Stoneskin up on them as soon as they're up. It will go a long way toward avoiding the second stack of Weakness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuwagami View Post
    hmmm real tips now :

    #1 : DO NOT JUMP !
    I know it's tempting, I know a freaking quake or landslide or anything shouldn't hit you in mid air, I know that. However, in this game, jumping causes you position not to be calculated for the lengh of the jump. Ie, if you are in an AoE, jump while you're in, and do not hit the floor before the end of the cast, you're done for. (May have been fixed with 2.28, but I'm too afraid to check it)
    This isn't TERA. Game still tracks your positioning when you jump.
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  9. #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaisha View Post
    This isn't TERA. Game still tracks your positioning when you jump.
    maybe now, but some time ago it didnt, best way to update pisition was using an insta cast, and like him, i dont jump when avoiding stuff, i got used to
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    Quote Originally Posted by AldoVonAlexandros View Post
    maybe now, but some time ago it didnt, best way to update pisition was using an insta cast, and like him, i dont jump when avoiding stuff, i got used to
    Jumping was never a problem regarding AoEs. The problem with dodging AoEs was the original 300ms (3.33 time seconds) tic rate on updating your position to the server, before they overhauled their instancing servers and bumped it to a more reasonable 100ms (10 times a second).
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