This needs to be stopped, and immediately.

[KaiKatzchen]

The way I look at it is like this, Duty Finder is there for everyone and no one should be telling other people how they can and can't use it from both sides. But realize by using DF for whatever reason you will meet vet's and new players alike.

If you're new and want to watch the cut-scenes then do it! Enter the dungeon and say 'Hello, nice to meet you. This is my first time and I'm going to watch cut-scenes for story line, thanks!'. By doing this you have expressed, politely, your intentions and people know that a player will be watching CS's, if they kick you for express this, then that is harassment and report them.

As Sove92 pointed out:

To avoid such incidents in the future, we would advise to speak with either the group leader or fellow party members when joining a new group to discuss any specific party restrictions that need to be addressed (i.e. any loot priorities, allowing group members to watch cutscenes etc).

SE has said the above, you have to make to clear and discuss your intentions that you wish to watch the CS's. If they do not complain or disagree yet kick you out at a later time for doing it, it has now fallen into harassing a new player and can be reported. I would also screenshot the start where you say you would like to watch CS's and the fact that no one complains (if they don't) at the start. That way you have proof you indicated you're watching them and no one said otherwise to you.

If people say nothing and do not communicate then how do others know the full group intentions? I know this seems stupid, but obviously it is an issue and this is a MMO. We are supposed to play, help and communicate with one another. If people don't like that, then maybe an MMO isn't the best thing to play. Everyone must take and give... and as a few said 'DF is not about you', and they are correct. But it's not about them and what they want either. It's about the group as a whole communicating and coming to a consensus, then getting the dungeon done in whatever way it's been decided.

Personally, my own opinion: If I go into a DF I am taking a risk, and I get what I get and if a person wants to watch CS's because it is their first time, I'm fine with it. It's the people who watch it every time, even though they have seen it, that annoy me. First timers, if players get stuck with them, shouldn't be kicked or picked on just for wanting to watch CS's, especially if they express they wish too. We were all once first timers, and not everyone skipped their cut-scenes to watch it later, so why should new players be forced to do it now?

[Duuude007]

Except the following:

1. I stated that it would be a restriction (While a cutscene is running)

DF is designed not to have special restrictions. So as to not force anyone to do something they do not want to.

2. The ones most likely to watch CS's are new players

One and done, yes, we get that. Wasn't up for debate.

3. I stated that you would get -double the myth- for a new player* (edited over 'for watching CS's)

So 200 myth, in a dungeon that lasts near 40 mins (restrictions implemented), when 400 can be earned in 40 mins of bray. Incentive.

On the contrary, if I had a bunch of i100s killing the boss so fast I can't even see their abilities in their entirety, that would majorly suck any enjoyment I would have.

I concur. You would think the newbies were more concerned about the immersion of being carried by overgeared vets, and losing any sense of end story challenge... Than whether they got to see cutcenes from the instance rather than an inn.

I'm fine if they want to watch em, but man... they shouldn't expect everyone to sit on their thumbs as they do so. That's just asking for problems.

[Cap75]

Took it out of context and you know SE didn't mean it that way. If someone is abusing the system by intentionally leaving themselves in a cutscene to troll people, yes that is considered harassment and can be kicked for it, not just simply watching them. If you are kicked from a DF for just playing the game it was intended to be, that isn't right. You can justify a kick in that regard if you made a PF party and specified it was a speed run with no CS's. If the player agreed before to speed run and decided to watch the CS's anyways, that is justified also.

The context is that was a response from a report filed by someone who got kicked for watching cutscenes a couple months back. It's the exact context.

[Lucke]

Since one of the problems discussed here is that the new players don't get to fight the bosses because they're in the middle of a CS, I have a solution. To add: the vets do a disservice to the new player by steamrolling content. They don't learn the mechanics of the fight, they don't learn the boss' abilities and how to counter them. The vets just sabotaged themselves because instead of adding a new player into the pool of vets that know what they're doing, they are keeping them noobs longer by not teaching the or having them learn the fight. Onto the solution.

I think that in story missions only, level 50 story missions specifically, instead of a level sync, SE could apply an iLVL sync. If CM/Prae are recommended for iLVL 50, then all the people that are iLVL 100 will have their gear stats reduced to iLVL 50 standards. This way, they can't just steamroll through the content. They may actually need the noob who's watching the cutscene. The iLVL sync obviously won't apply to the optional level 50 dungeons, like Brayflox and others, just the story mode dungeons.

[Noahlimits]

If you're new and want to watch the cut-scenes then do it! Enter the dungeon and say 'Hello, nice to meet you. This is my first time and I'm going to watch cut-scenes for story line, thanks!'. By doing this you have expressed, politely, your intentions and people know that a player will be watching CS's, if they kick you for express this, then that is harassment and report them.

I think you're misunderstanding SE's quote. They clearly state they won't get involved in majority vote kicks that have anything to do with viewing cutscenes. If you politely say you'll be viewing cutscenes and the majority of the party don't want to and you're kicked, that isn't reportable per their comment. I've never seen a party that didn't kick at the beginning for someone viewing a cutscene but instead did it half way through the dungeon. That doesn't really make sense. Even if they did, there's no disclosure in what you quoted that still makes it harassment to kick a player if the majority don't want to view cutscenes and one person does.

I personally don't do Prae or Castrum since you can get 2-3x the amount of myth doing bray runs, but SE's comment is really clear to me.

[Eidolon]

DF is designed not to have special restrictions. So as to not force anyone to do something they do not want to.

Except the reason the Main Scenario roulette was put in with the intention of helping new players be able to find parties for it. Before Duty Roulette, a lot of players were looking for party in /sh for upwards 3-4 hours. I know this because I used to be in an old FC with more newbies. It helped our community, sure, because they were grateful when helped - but more often than not, it was rough if you weren't like us intiial players who go through while the influx was huge.

So 200 myth, in a dungeon that lasts near 40 mins (restrictions implemented), when 400 can be earned in 40 mins of bray. Incentive.

If we're assuming that the time of 40 minutes is 'twice the time', then :

100 myth in 20 minutes (Restrictions not implemented) for 20 minutes of dungoun, when 200 myth can be earned in 20 minutes of Bray (BEING EXTREMELY GENEROUS WITH THE ASSUMPTION OF PURE 5 MINUTE RUNS - most PF's will take 6minutes, with time for loading in between pushing you to almost 7.) is no better for myth/hour, and is the same 5myth:1minute ratio. You basically disprove yourself by suggesting the extra time somehow hurts it when you're getting -double myth- for doing nothing but letting a person watch a cutscene (Whcih honestly won't double the time of the dungoun.)

That was my point. Allowing them to watch the CS and taking -slightly- longer for double reward, is the trade off.

[Eggnook24]

And to the TC:

It will indeed stop. Except it will stop because you'll destroy any desire for veteran players to help new players. That's how it will stop.

Wanna seek for respect from the veteran players? Show respect first.

Not all veterans are self centered egomaniacs who think this story driven game is just a speed running fiasco for myth to purchase higher ilvl gear to satisfy their epeen. I like helping new players, and like knowing they are enjoying the game. Your previous content to rally all vets to lockout end story runs is retarded. That being said, if you decide to protest and not run those instances, guess what, no real loss. There will always be players who are will Ing to help newbies. You and your kind can brayflox till your eyes bleed.

[Aushi]

It's a community game. You paid for the game, but so did they. When I was doing the story I came to a compromise in moments like those. I explained I would not skip the scenes, but I didn't care if I missed the fights. Then I que'd up again, skipped the scenes and took part in the fights. Happy medium for everyone.

Put your big boy/girl pants on and realize not everything in this world goes your way, this isn't a single player game. It was stupid of them to kick you simply because you watched the scenes, that in itself sounds like a silly tantrum. But it is also rather silly that you expect every single individual in the game to cater to you as if they don't pay for the content either.

It's not your fault they wish to speed, but it isn't their fault that you didn't voice out your objection either. Perhaps because you didn't they thought you were simply AFK. Communication and compromise like the adults most of us are.

[Aushi]

Not all veterans are self centered egomaniacs who think this story driven game is just a speed running fiasco for myth to purchase higher ilvl gear to satisfy their epeen. I like helping new players, and like knowing they are enjoying the game. Your previous content to rally all vets to lockout end story runs is retarded. That being said, if you decide to protest and not run those instances, guess what, no real loss. There will always be players who are will Ing to help newbies. You and your kind can brayflox till your eyes bleed.

I stand with ya. I will always help new players, no matter what. I don't care for speed runs, I like enjoy cutscenes even if I saw them a million times before~ Heck I get on PF and find groups that need help in content I've already done all the time. I like helping, and like you and me, there's plenty more. A loooot more.

[Ilitsa]

Not all veterans are self centered egomaniacs who think this story driven game is just a speed running fiasco for myth to purchase higher ilvl gear to satisfy their epeen. I like helping new players, and like knowing they are enjoying the game. Your previous content to rally all vets to lockout end story runs is retarded. That being said, if you decide to protest and not run those instances, guess what, no real loss. There will always be players who are will Ing to help newbies. You and your kind can brayflox till your eyes bleed.

I agree wholly. I find it to be a lot more fun when I get into a castrum/Prae run with a few new players to it, Seeing a new player's reaction as the last bits of the main story come to an end is far more rewarding to me, personally than the handful of myth the dungeon gives.