Yoshi-P: Atma drop % = "it's just luck"

[Avarghaladion]

I have my atma, but I didn't like the process. It just felt so empty and grindy, not very fun.

The thing that gets me is that Yoshi-P says he doesn't want to add randomized mechanics into primal fights or Coil or bosses, on the basis that it isn't fair. Then we have this system where some people get their atmas in 12 hours, some in 12 days, and some who still don't have a full 12 and his response is "Oh well you're just unlucky, sorry."

Given his logic there should at least be some failsafe, like if you farm for x hours or chain x amount of fates you get one regardless. So yes people may get them quickly but everyone is guaranteed one per x amount of measurable effort.

Yes the "lol sucks to be you" response to the iniquity of Atma is a surefire way to make rage intensify lol.

This may be a tad meta but people don't want to come hope to their hobby after a crappy day only to have a video-game hand them a monumental dickslap in reminding them that, in the real world, straight up luck will probably always win out over skill and hard work. The RNG shouldn't be there in the first place but seeing as it is there it most definitely shouldn't be so inconsistend that it can create an existential crisis as to why the hell we're paying for the privilidge of burning a LOT of manhours on a menial task with no challenge and no reward for the unlucky ones. The antipodal nature of the spectrum for this RNG garbage is outright depressing. There should not be people living "wow... I've been at this for 90 hours longer than this guy and he's already done multiple weapons..." I feel like I'm in the late nineties / early 2000s with this "content."

[SynGrell]

I'm just going to address one point that I keep seeing; that RNG is fair, when it is the opposite of fair. For something to be fair or balanced, then the same action, and same "amount" of that action, should consistently yield the same result. Some people acquired all 12 atmas in a single day, while others have been farming since 2.2 was released and still are not done. RNG means the same action =/= the same outcome; inherently lacking in balance. RNG is neither fair, nor fun, nor challenging. It is nothing more than lazy design and developers should stop using it.

[Kiokin]

The thing that gets me is that Yoshi-P says he doesn't want to add randomized mechanics into primal fights or Coil or bosses, on the basis that it isn't fair. Then we have this system where some people get their atmas in 12 hours, some in 12 days, and some who still don't have a full 12 and his response is "Oh well you're just unlucky, sorry."

That isn't what he meant by unfair. Random mechanics in a fight leads to asynchronous levels of effort between groups. Some groups might get it easy, some might not. So one group might have to put in less mechanical effort than another group to get the same reward. Grinding FATEs isn't mechanically difficult, it's just time consuming. It's the same level of effort no matter who's doing it, the only thing that changes is the length of time necessary to do it.

[Virin]

If it makes anyone feel better I have been farming atma since it was released, I run fates when I am not helping out or in a dungeon, I have found a total of 0 atma. 0.. none, zip, nada. How many weeks has it been? So yeah, if you have been farming and have gotten even 1 and are upset, just know some people have 0

[Felis]

If it makes anyone feel better I have been farming atma since it was released, I run fates when I am not helping out or in a dungeon, I have found a total of 0 atma. 0.. none, zip, nada. How many weeks has it been? So yeah, if you have been farming and have gotten even 1 and are upset, just know some people have 0

Did you equiped your zenith while doing it in the right zones?

[jacobvalladares]

thats the thing though it requires no skill or effort wouldn't it be better if we had something to test our skills as level 50's rather than mind numbing fate grinding

[Gormogon]

Svara, Cyclops, Chimera, Behemoth, and Odin FATEs should all have 20% drop rate, just saying.

[Zhi]

thats the thing though it requires no skill or effort wouldn't it be better if we had something to test our skills as level 50's rather than mind numbing fate grinding

there is, its called coil

[ServerCollaps]

there is, its called coil

indeed, people cryed for easy obtainable gear they can grind for, because titan hm and co were to hard for the casual crowd

now they got it and they cry even more.

if someone writes he got not a single atma after x weeks/months it just reminds me on the thread, were a guy cryed about searching an atma for 5 whole days without success - at eastern la noscea

[jacobvalladares]

there is, its called coil

for our relics i mean not just coil i'm not saying that we should have them just handed to us i do believe that if you want something you should work hard for it but mindlessly grinding fates in low level areas is not my idea of fun content. binding coil is fun because it challenges everyone to do better with their jobs but pressing two - three buttons is not challenging