Revelations from Second Coil of Bahamut

[Urielparadox]

Not to mention that is very possible in a future expansion that we are going to go to Garlemald, it makes since, since they are related to the Allagan. I mean the game still has many years and story's to go I wouldn't expect major answer on our foreign visitors until the expansion

[Fors]

Anyways, why Hydaelyn is so super interested in Eorzea, we have to assume it has to do with that slash Ascians trying to kill her are in Eorzea.

Hydaelyn exists only as long as the world has enough aetheric energy to keep her stable. Otherwise she goes into hibernation and Zodiark wakes up.

Perhaps Hydaelyn wants Dalamud to get fixed, Bahamut to get re-binded, the Crystal Tower to be reactivated, and for the capturing of solar energy to resume. If such a scenario were to happen, it might be possible for the world to have an indefinite amount of aetheric energy that permanently keeps Hydaelyn dominant over Zodiark.

Not to mention that is very possible in a future expansion that we are going to go to Garlemald, it makes since, since they are related to the Allagan. I mean the game still has many years and story's to go I wouldn't expect major answer on our foreign visitors until the expansion

If Dalamud is ever going to get repaired, then it's more than likely that visiting Garlemald will be required, because the Garleans are the only ones that can possibly repair Allagan technology.

[TeaTimeBear]

This is where the lore of ARR starts to lose cohesion. If Garleans are a race unto themselves, why look like 90% of one race and 10% of another, with a few random elements thrown in? Female Nael has every characteristic of being Elezen apart from her ears and third eye. Her hairstyle is Elezen (Coco has the same one, but auburn) and her face, eyes, posture, movements and mannerisms are all Elezen. Just as everything about v1 Nael was surmised to be Elezen. They are most certainly not Highlanders.

You can say it's artistic license (or developer laziness) but it's actually quite confusing. Elezen but not? One physical characteristic is Hyuran...

Thank you, so glad to not being the only one to see these features.

[Endemerrin]

Not to mention that is very possible in a future expansion that we are going to go to Garlemald, it makes since, since they are related to the Allagan.

I wouldn't go that far, honestly. The only things we do know in canon is that the house of Darnus is of an Allagan bloodline, and that they are keepers of Allag secrets. We don't even know if the empire was aware of Darnus's bloodline until he went all crazy, and even then it's possible they weren't aware of his family's origins. They were doing research on Allagan technology, but that doesn't mean the empire as a whole is directly related.

On top of that, we don't know where Magitek came from. We only know that Galvus seemed to pioneer it (possibly with outside aid, I don't think they directly mentioned who originally conceptualized Magitek), outfitted Garlemald with it, and revolutionized their entire country almost over night. The widely accepted speculation seems to be that they reverse engineered the concept from Allagan technology, but even then, they're so astronomically different that it doesn't really make all that much sense. Allagan technology is futuristic and space-agey, where as Magitek is a lot more gritty and industrial. Biggs even takes a pot-shot at the empire at one point, saying something along the lines of Magitek being like a bunch of children's toys compared to what the Allag were able to achieve.

On top of that, the Allagan empire was predominantly located in Eorzea, which is an entirely different region from Garlemald, which originated on the northern end of Ilsabard. As far as I know, there hasn't really been anything specific about how much territory the Allagan empire conquered before their collapse. Whether or not they controlled Ilsabard seems up in the air. One one hand, it's certainly plausible, but on the other, perhaps they were far too busy fighting their war against the southern continent to bother with expansion into the north. We do know the Allagans worshiped (or something like that) the twelve, seeing as there are Allagan Runestones engraved with the symbols of the twelve, and worship of the twelve has been linked specifically to Eorzea.

Food for thought, I suppose. Not disagreeing, just playing the devil's advocate. I've my own speculation about the origins of pureblood Garleans, but it's just that. Speculation.

This is where the lore of ARR starts to lose cohesion. If Garleans are a race unto themselves, why look like 90% of one race and 10% of another, with a few random elements thrown in? Female Nael has every characteristic of being Elezen apart from her ears and third eye. Her hairstyle is Elezen (Coco has the same one, but auburn) and her face, eyes, posture, movements and mannerisms are all Elezen. Just as everything about v1 Nael was surmised to be Elezen. They are most certainly not Highlanders.

I mean, Garlean purebloods could very well be descendants of the Allag, or the product of some other means. The third eye most certainly raises questions that aren't easily answered. We do know the Allag loved to play around with biological weapons (Lamia, Chimera, Acheron, etc), so the mutation of people isn't entirely out of the question. Garlean purebloods could be the result of an Allag experiment that bred and survived to this day in age. It could also be something else in their environment that influenced their evolution. Something is definitely fishy in that they have this creepy third eye, and a natural ineptitude for the use of magic. Those aren't really things you'd think are natural courses of evolution.

Regardless, the whole Elezen thing is likely just a means for the developers to not have to design an entirely new body-type for the purebloods. We've seen three purebloods without their faces obscured at this point. "Nael" (Or Bradamante, as most people are speculating), Nero, and Cid. We've even seen Nero outside of his armor, and he is incredibly tall and lanky. When you first get the quests to unlock CT, he's just hanging around in Revenant's Toll, and he's taller than (if not as tall as) most Elezen males. Gaius and Nael were also both very tall. Suffice it to say, Nero looked nothing like an Elezen, but had the build of one. Livia also shared the build of an Elezen, but I think we can safely assumed that she was a pureblood as well, given her name and history. Cid is the current anomaly, in that he's short and very stocky/well built for a pureblood. But we know without a doubt that he is most certainly pureblood, and looks absolutely nothing like an Elezen. Could just be that they have a variety of body-types.

I imagine it's just an aesthetic choice, nothing more, nothing less.

[Tatsuya227]

Well here is my take on some things, and a brief history lesson of Eorzea.

Okay so I don't 100% think that the Allagans are gone. On the simple side of my thinking, the last few Allagans are in fact the Garleans. On my more complexed side of thinking, the Allagans are really; wait for it.... in space! The Allagan Empire constructed the Royal Allagan Sunway and Starway in what is present day Thanalan. They had to have advanced spaceships based on this and everything else we know. A part of the Allagan Empire, be it most likely a small portion, could very well have escaped the end of the Third Astral Era on spaceships and be on the moon somewhere or something.

As for the Primals, we know that the Elder Primal Midgarsormr was protecting the "Seal of Silvertear Falls". The seal was most likely made by the Allagans to deal with all the lesser Primals, and based on what we've seen on the Binding Coil (Most notably the Dragon Twintania, and the other dragons with it in Turn 5), we can safely bet that Midgarsormr was defending the seal because it was under the control of the Allagans. The Garlean Empires armada posed enough of a threat that Midgarsormr was awoken to defend the seal. I don't think that killing Midgarsormr is what broke the seal though, but...

The Elder Primal Bahamut was most likely the reason behind the Second Astral Era ending, and the Third Umbral Era ended most likely due to the Allagan sealing away Bahamut. Now weather they sealed Bahamut up, then made Dalamud or if Dalamud is what they sealed him away in is unclear. But my guess is that they sealed Bahamut away, and then built Dalamud. This also means that the Third Umbral Era must have lasted a really long time since the technology to seal him away would have taken a long time to develop; not to mention the fact that it would take an extremely long time just to get technologically advanced enough just to be able to develop that kinda technology. The Weapons (Ultima and soon to be Omega[maybe], and maybe more models) were most likely used to fight Bahamut so they could seal him away.

Dalamud, which was in space between the world and the moon, is nothing more then just one great big power plant for the Allagan Empire. Crystal Tower, for whatever reason, was drawing power from Dalamud. Most likely, but probably not (yet maybe), Dalamud transferred power to other Allagan places that are yet unknown to us. Since Crystal Tower is most likely the only 100% in tact Allagan installation (or whatever you wanna call it), it is mostly the only thing that Dalamud had to send power to.

Huh, is it me, or do the Allagans seem to have a knack for using dragons to do their bidding in one form or another?

I have way way WAY more, but I'll leave it at that tid bit for now!

[gornotck]

It's almost as if the Allag were dragons, all that dragon theme stuff.

[Toranja]

The indication is that Bahamut did not show up and rained death upon the Allag.

Dalamud is there to make use Bahamut as a catalyst and power the Crystal Tower. This requires forethought. Bahamut's imprisonment is not an end in itself.

For all we know the Allag may be the Twelve, the Primals, the Ascians, a collective entity (Mother Crystal or Zodiark), roaming space, the Garleans, the Elementals, hiding in the Void, hidden in plain sight, living on the Moon, devolved into monsters or they just ded.

[gornotck]

Maybe even all of the above!

[MoarLegion]

This is where the lore of ARR starts to lose cohesion. If Garleans are a race unto themselves, why look like 90% of one race and 10% of another, with a few random elements thrown in? Female Nael has every characteristic of being Elezen apart from her ears and third eye. Her hairstyle is Elezen (Coco has the same one, but auburn) and her face, eyes, posture, movements and mannerisms are all Elezen. Just as everything about v1 Nael was surmised to be Elezen. They are most certainly not Highlanders.

You can say it's artistic license (or developer laziness) but it's actually quite confusing. Elezen but not? One physical characteristic is Hyuran? They have a mystical third eye? Okay, sure...

It's also bandied about that Garleans are "severed" from aether, when by the same token we're told everything on Hydaelyn contains the stuff. Plants, animals, earth, water, rocks, the very air we breathe. They shouldn't be able to do anything associated with aether then, and yet we see Garlean thaumaturges casting Thunder. Bahamut taking Nael's "aetheric essence" and re-forming it. A whole load of Garlean machinery using "magitek" aka. ceruleum (concentrated aetheric energy extracted from crystals). Then there's the Echo. To a race that has zero connection with aether, why the drive to understand something fundamentally connected to it?

I just have a real problem understanding the practicality of the lore regarding these two issues. Quite often, it's directly conflicting or certain parts are poorly explained, we're tossed scraps as to the reality of what Garleans are, how they work, how aether exists outside of Eorzea, why Hydaelyn focused all of her attention onto a single sub-continent etc. Makes for good discussion though.

I propose the following BS theory: Nael and Louie were made from scraps, more or less, and Bahamut had more Elezen material to work with, with just enough to give Nael a third eye and sweater hams. At this point, we don't know if Nael's third eye is actually functional, purely decorative, or decorative but designed with similar function.

I'd also like to point something possible relevant; and that is Nael's sex change. Bahamut had two menservants, but for some yet unexplained reason needs a male and female. I fail to see how the change could be irrelevant.

[gornotck]

So you're suggesting Bahamut needed Louisoux to make new 'Elezan material' with Nael?