Vote dismissal refining is needed.

[Vahlnir]

Despite the number of players I've been grouped with that have either played poorly or acted in negative manner, I've only ever had a good reason to kick 1 person and, coincidentally, the only person I have ever initiated a kick on. They were griefing the group with the elevators in Praetorium, and hanging back not doing anything after they were called out. All the while they were making some offensive comments in party chat. This is pretty much the type of person this feature is aimed at...along with people who get disconnected and don't come back after a certain period of time. To me the system is working as intended and I have never once seen it abused. Maybe I'm just lucky or something, I don't know. I won't claim that it is perfect though, but it's decent with all things considered.

[Altaeciana]

Despite the number of players I've been grouped with that have either played poorly or acted in negative manner, I've only ever had a good reason to kick 1 person and, coincidentally, the only person I have ever initiated a kick on. They were griefing the group with the elevators in Praetorium, and hanging back not doing anything after they were called out. All the while they were making some offensive comments in party chat. This is pretty much the type of person this feature is aimed at...along with people who get disconnected and don't come back after a certain period of time. To me the system is working as intended and I have never once seen it abused. Maybe I'm just lucky or something, I don't know. I won't claim that it is perfect though, but it's decent with all things considered.

In the situation you provided, I wholeheartedly agree that goes along the lines of harassment. I too would have done the same thing. Such actions are detrimental to progression all too obviously.

[ispano]

Not to oust you or anything like that, but you can't simply tell someone to "play better" when they lackadaisically play their role. You will see many inexperienced people as you join a random group. Note the key word "random" here. And sure enough, they might be someone who spams Flash instead of Overpower as a Warrior. Or maybe they are someone who spams Straight Shot as a Lv50 ARC. Whatever the case, these are not appropriate reasons to remove someone. That is what constitutes as abuse with vote dismissal. Using the system as not intended. The best things to be done here is to try and do a quick mentoring or simply not take your chances with a random grouping. No one told you to join a random group and become infuriated or frustrated.

I'll be honest, I just can't agree with this. People can have one expectation however, that people are going to earnestly try to complete the content. I was running Lost City the last few days, trying to get the last Hussar piece I wanted for vanity. The gloves, on the first boss. Even if they didn't drop I'd stay til the end. However, in several of those runs, there was a summoner, the same one mind you. That barely did any dps at all. Any time I got eaten by the first boss, I died. "Almost" every single time(We had a healer who did great DPS on some runs). We tried to talk to him and such, because if I was playing that that level too, we never would clear that first boss. It just would not happen. It was during the first few wipes on that first boss that we found out he had no keyboard. This stems from console players seeing this as a console game before it's an MMO, but I can sort of understand someone having never played an MMO before being like that, so I suggested he get one. Not ordered he get one. The only reason we got past the first boss on the attempts where he was present were either I never got eaten, or the healer DPS'd as well.

So if you're giving advice and whatnot, you most certainly CAN tell someone they need to, or should, play better. Because well, if they don't the group may not go anywhere, and I'm certain they want to complete it just as much as the rest of the group. Being the type who plays to "relax" or is "laid back" is no excuse to expect other people to come down to your pace without trying to go outside of your comfort zone as well.

[Raldo]

Have you truly seen this feature abused so much that you think it needs change? I think I've been booted once, in what I would consider an unfair manner, and seeing others get booted unfairly is also a rare sight for me. Certainly not enough that I really think it needs tweaking.

[Kanzaki0]

I dont see this getting abused too much. The only time I saw it abused was when I got kicked for giving the tank the advice to not tank the boss for CB HM in the sand pit. After multiple wipes due to everyone standing in the sand getting hit, I ended up getting kicked.
Yeah its annoying when the system is abused but it doesn't happen too often.

[ispano]

I dont see this getting abused too much. The only time I saw it abused was when I got kicked for giving the tank the advice to not tank the boss for CB HM in the sand pit. After multiple wipes due to everyone standing in the sand getting hit, I ended up getting kicked.
Yeah its annoying when the system is abused but it doesn't happen too often.

Tanking it in the sand is actually good, btw. Since the worm only travels around the outside, and puts everyone closer to stones on average.

[Kerberon]

Not to oust you or anything like that, but you can't simply tell someone to "play better" when they lackadaisically play their role. You will see many inexperienced people as you join a random group. Note the key word "random" here. And sure enough, they might be someone who spams Flash instead of Overpower as a Warrior. Or maybe they are someone who spams Straight Shot as a Lv50 ARC. Whatever the case, these are not appropriate reasons to remove someone. That is what constitutes as abuse with vote dismissal. Using the system as not intended. The best things to be done here is to try and do a quick mentoring or simply not take your chances with a random grouping. No one told you to join a random group and become infuriated or frustrated.

However, in the case of disruptive players. Your words speak truth. Changing the way one interacts on a communicative level can certainly lead to fewer unsightly removals. But it is here that I argue in which many things said are open to interpretation. And it is often the disgusted interpretations that are immediately taken into consideration which ultimately leads to a removal. If in my group there is a healer who isn't geared out to do 1000 hp value heals with Cure 1, calling him/her a muggle might be considered harassment, or it will humor them. But if I simply announce that the group isn't going to beat the event with how it is currently, this can be taken into consideration as "unnecessary negativity." Something like this is often a reason why I see people get abused by the system. They're not directly ousting someone. But they're immediately a "negative Nancy."

The people I see spamming one ability usually don't respond in anyway to chat or any other "stimuli". I don't think those players are actually players. I feel fairly strongly that they are in fact bots. I'd say that the vote dismiss needs to have another option for suspected botting but that's about the only change I'd like to see.

[Bluevann]

Just want to cheer the readers up and let them know that not all of the community is evil!

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ked-Yet-Thread!

[LalaRu]

If you being kicked out of (at your eyes) silly reasons, the correct fix is report to SE what happened. Automated systems cannot never know if they are used correctly or not.

[stupiddog]

I do not know if the unwarranted kick problem is really that big. I got kicked once, and it was my fault (DPSed the adds on first mini boss in Brayflox and did not look at the chat window where other players advised me to DPS the boss instead multiple times, because that is way faster for any halfway decent equipped group). Technically, the kick might have been against the ToS, but I think it was ok because I did not watch the window and failed to communicate with the others properly.

Apart from that, even when I got into an argument with another player (which also happens quite rarely), I never got kicked. Communication is everything. If you have a good reason and politely (yes, you can be both concise and polite at the same time...) explain your decisions, chances of getting kicked are _very_ slim. YMMV.