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    Crimson-Falcon's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jubez187 View Post
    Well IDK about you but I've never seen aggro tables work in PvP so I mean...

    And also, what if someone goes down, no swiftcast, and chances are the healer will get canceled by AOE? You can cover them during the cast time.
    i dont know PVP and i dont care about it

    also talking about cover when healer spell might get cancelled

    you should know that cover wont work if the healer is more than 5 yalms away from you

    and no healer will risk going near tank regardless of using cover or not

    pointless skill is pointless just like MNK one Ilm punch

    maybe with longer range it will have some use but still not the decent way

    also if using cover when aoe coming means taking double damage and risking death to yourself
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    Last edited by Crimson-Falcon; 06-17-2014 at 03:27 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crimson-Falcon View Post
    i dont know PVP and i dont care about it

    also talking about cover when healer spell might get cancelled

    you should know that cover wont work if the healer is more than 5 yalms away from you

    and no healer will risk going near tank regardless of using cover or not

    pointless skill is pointless just like MNK one Ilm punch

    maybe with longer range it will have some use but still not the decent way
    Tbh Paladin's shitty flash can't keep hate against flare crits.
    And you have no answer for medica II spammers.
    Cover is your option while you get your flat hate of flash to build up from a hard crit.
    Sound more like a bad paladin yourself that holds people back.

    Don't compare cover to something as narrow as one-ilm punch... that's laughable. You wanna compare something to one-ilm punch, try holmgang.

    Anyways, on-topic for the thread:

    Seems cover follows this rule: If you can prompt a block/parry for the attack (you can block/parry a mountain buster despite it being 'magic attack) you can cover it. Maybe even if it's AoE (mountain buster is also AoE).
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    Last edited by Nayto; 06-17-2014 at 03:31 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crimson-Falcon View Post
    and no healer will risk going near tank regardless of using cover or not
    Um, what? If I aggro something or for whatever reason pull hate, the first thing you should do is run to the tank. Why? Because if they have to chase you down because you're running around, they won't get hate back. Oh, they provoked and then you casted a cure? You negated that provoke. Simple solution, bring the mob to the tank, they halone/BB and no issues. How do I know this? Because I main a SCH and sub WHM as a pair with a tank. And sometimes, if I nuke, bane gets me hate (assuming on SCH). I prefer contributing damage rather than standing there with my thumb up my butt sitting on full mp. So, yeah, if you aren't bringing mobs to the tank, you need to reconsider how you play as a healer and try helping your tank rather than making them work harder because you don't feel like taking a few steps forward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nayto View Post
    Tbh Paladin's shitty flash can't keep hate against flare crits.
    And you have no answer for medica II spammers.
    Cover is your option while you get your flat hate of flash to build up from a hard crit.
    Sound more like a bad paladin yourself that holds people back.

    Don't compare cover to something as narrow as one-ilm punch... that's laughable. You wanna compare something to one-ilm punch, try holmgang.

    Anyways, on-topic for the thread:

    Seems cover follows this rule: If you can prompt a block/parry for the attack (you can block/parry a mountain buster despite it being 'magic attack) you can cover it. Maybe even if it's AoE (mountain buster is also AoE).
    mountain buster isnt even magic attack no titan attacks are magical

    and wait flash cant keep hate against flares?

    guess you didnt tank SR brayflox before

    i can easily keep hate while im sleeping

    wen im undergeared to BLMs maybe i lose aggro

    medica 2 spammers yea i agree with you

    as for holmgang its way useful than many bad warriors think it is

    and if healer kept using aggro king skills while should i be helpful and keep him/her alive let him/her die so they know the mistake


    Quote Originally Posted by Minako View Post
    Um, what? If I aggro something or for whatever reason pull hate, the first thing you should do is run to the tank. Why? Because if they have to chase you down because you're running around, they won't get hate back. Oh, they provoked and then you casted a cure? You negated that provoke. Simple solution, bring the mob to the tank, they halone/BB and no issues. How do I know this? Because I main a SCH and sub WHM as a pair with a tank. And sometimes, if I nuke, bane gets me hate (assuming on SCH). I prefer contributing damage rather than standing there with my thumb up my butt sitting on full mp. So, yeah, if you aren't bringing mobs to the tank, you need to reconsider how you play as a healer and try helping your tank rather than making them work harder because you don't feel like taking a few steps forward.
    im not talking about losing aggro i mean if the tank keeping aggro great why would healer run to tank for cover wen cover range is 5 yalms
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    Last edited by Crimson-Falcon; 06-17-2014 at 04:31 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crimson-Falcon View Post
    mountain buster isnt even magic attack no titan attacks are magical
    Tumults, Bombs, Geocrush, and Weight of the Land are all magic damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridiana View Post
    Tumults, Bombs, Geocrush, and Weight of the Land are all magic damage.

    yea rite use manawall and tell me if it negated any damage from those
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crimson-Falcon View Post
    yea rite use manawall and tell me if it negated any damage from those
    You want me to use the ability that negates physical attacks? Sorry, I'm not that gullible. Now, I do have it on good authority that if you actually use the ability that negates magic damage, it affects those attacks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crimson-Falcon View Post
    yea rite use manawall and tell me if it negated any damage from those
    You DO know that Manawall is for PHYSICAL attacks, right? And MANAWARD is for MAGICAL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crimson-Falcon View Post
    i dont know PVP and i dont care about it

    also talking about cover when healer spell might get cancelled

    you should know that cover wont work if the healer is more than 5 yalms away from you

    and no healer will risk going near tank regardless of using cover or not

    pointless skill is pointless just like MNK one Ilm punch

    maybe with longer range it will have some use but still not the decent way

    also if using cover when aoe coming means taking double damage and risking death to yourself
    You just made a complete spectacle of yourself, you know that right? You're ignorant and uneducated when it comes to this game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crimson-Falcon View Post


    pointless skill is pointless just like MNK one Ilm punch
    this is wrong on so many levels, you do know there are mechanics in the game that negates the hate table right? like Goblin snipers and gliders in brayflox or turn 7 Lamia Archers, if someone is taking too much damage, a cover can be a life saver before the tank grab back hate or kill the add. It certainly isn't the useless skill you make it out to be.
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