first it was crafting and gathers, now it pvpers...

[rappa]

I guess so then... I like how you gloss over the points that you find inconvenient to your case, though.


If you want morale on PvP gear, then are you willing to make PvP gear only useable in PvP? You know, so that you have to progress through PvE content the same way you expect PvE'ers to progress through PvP? Because I want to know about your PvE progress when you step into a dungeon or coil with me...

Please, stop, don't write anything more because you are failing so hard

Bard ilvl 100 pvp


Check the sentence

Materia effects active during PvP only.

Bard ilvl 100 soldier


Both have got 34 dext, 39 vit.
Pve gear provide you with 38 crit and 19 det
Pvp gear give you 38 skill speed and morale

So you could use pvp gear in a pve scenary but your dps is not compared with a pve. Ofc you can do brayflox hm, halatali and primals, but try to do second coil wearing pvp gear, you miss a lot and your dps will be low.

Now, we have the same in frontlines, where the 4th stat, morale, doesn't work and using a pvp gear in a pvp scenary is useless.

I don't care about if i am synch to ilvl 80, i just enter in frontlines wearing my pvp gear because i spent months to can gear it.
Without the morale you snatch the advantage from pvp player to give it to pve players.

[Celebcarca]

My mistake...my apologies....my departure

[Alukah]

I'm still surprised that there are people who legitimately think uneven stats make PVP exciting.

The player base of a PvE game :/

[IzumiRaito]

The most popular pvp games in the world are these where there is no vertical progression at all (cs, dota2, sc2) or minimal, very easy capped vertical progression (league of legends). This way everything becomes decided by player skill, rather that grinding best gear by win trading.

[Nalien]

Players who have Morale gear are still going to be better than you, even if Morale means nothing. They've taken part in this games PvP to obtain that gear (sans win traders), they know how to win.

The idea that removing Morale will create a level playing field is absurd. It doesn't. People who put time into PvP in this game are still going to destroy those who haven't. The only thing Morale does is create the illusion that, by also obtaining that gear, you'd be just as good. That provides incentive for people to participate in Wolves' Den. That creates a health and active PvP community in a PvE game. One which allows people to just queue randomly, because there is always a core community there allowing people to join.

Seriously, you can all pretend Morale is some super stat that will prevent you all from winning, but... What is actually stopping you from obtaining Morale gear yourself? You don't want to? So... You want to partake in Frontlines, which is PvP content, but you don't want to bother with PvP content? If I was complaining for Coil to be adjusted such that you only need AF to beat it, I'd be laughed at; "You should have to grind for i70, i90, and i100 to do Coil!", yet when it comes to Frontlies we shouldn't have to obtain anything?

For a PvP game to be able to survive solely on "fun", it needs to be insanely popular. Do you really think Frontlines is going to draw the same numbers as LoL? It wont. Comparing a pure PvP game to a PvE game that has PvP is utterly inane. There will be an initial hype, then it'll die down and queuing will take so long people wont bother. Without any sense of balanced progression in PvP (the current progression we have is far from balanced), people simply are not going to partake in it for long. Yoshida can either give XIVs PvP proper progression to keep people coming back, or he can hope to churn out new PvP content as frequently as possible and make it a "flavour of the month" style PvP experience.

Personally, I'd rather see him focus on balanced progression, because the other option seems like a waste of resources. Why make the old content moot when it can be part of the progression? Wolves' Den will server no purpose in XIV if you build Frontlines around a "balanced playing field". If someone who has put more time in than you has an advantage, you go and earn the same advantage in Wolves' Den. It's that simple.

reason i don't pvp is because its to unbalanced and unfun kill healer gg... i love frontlines i hope they add more gametypes. maybe add a fc vs fc and other stuff.

How can you love something before you've even tried it? I really cannot see Frontlines playing too differently to Wolves' Den; taking out the healer is still going to be a priority.

[meJojo]

Frontlines give wolf marks. For PVP gear. That adds morale.

Why would anyone think morale is negated in Frontlines? It doesn't add up. SE never confirmed this and people need to stop spreading this until it's official.

[TornadoFury]

reason i don't pvp is because its to unbalanced and unfun kill healer gg... i love frontlines i hope they add more gametypes. maybe add a fc vs fc and other stuff.

[rappa]

PVP is unbalanced because pve players go to 50s queue where PVP players know his jobs and how kill a unexperience player.

Hello, i am a healer/dps having 3k hp 0 morale, i queue pvp for fun. Oh no, i die so fast, pvp sucks. I gonna farm myth to get my novus

[Nalien]

PVP is unbalanced because pve players go to 50s queue where PVP players know his jobs and how kill a unexperience player.

Hello, i am a healer/dps having 3k hp 0 morale, i queue pvp for fun. Oh no, i die so fast, pvp sucks. I gonna farm myth to get my novus

Main reason we need Wolves' Den to have brackets like I suggested earlier in this thread; i55 capped Wolves' Den would be a perfect addition to PvP. The gear is readily available, and the difference between i55 Morale and i55 PvE is marginal at best. It would be something anyone can jump into (Roulettes for PvP bringing people in higher iLvs to it to boost numbers) and allows you to farm i70 PvP fairly easily, which would be ideal for Frontlines.

[Malakhim]

reason i don't pvp is because its to unbalanced and unfun kill healer gg... i love frontlines i hope they add more gametypes. maybe add a fc vs fc and other stuff.

When the healer stops being the person who can revive players and restore their wounds, then they'll stop being the prime target for players in PvP. :P

Wolves' Den, Frontlines, whatever. You're never gonna get a break on this one.